Would you do this trade...

[LoPo]

12-20 ish is his range. He's in the same tier as many of those guys and is a better player than several of those guys. One season and playoff run I would take him over Middleton, Booker, Beal, Simmons, Siakham... he's easier to build around because he does so many important things and many of those guys have things you have to work or plan around. If if was one playoff series there are absolutely times when you would take him over Rudy.

Zubac is important to the proposed trade as well. He's quite good and would replace a portion of what Rudy brings at a bargain price.

I just don't rate PG that highly. He has underachieved in how many playoffs in a row? Donovan outplayed him as a rookie when PG's team had much more talent than we had. Simply put, the guy lacks the intangibles that make a great player elite. He's got the skills and build to be Kawhi without being the heart and effort to be that good.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just don't rate PG that highly. He has underachieved in how many playoffs in a row? Donovan outplayed him as a rookie when PG's team had much more talent than we had. Simply put, the guy lacks the intangibles that make a great player elite. He's got the skills and build to be Kawhi without being the heart and effort to be that good.

He’s had three disappointing runs but two were with westbrick and one was in a bubble with a team that really had no solid leadership.

The personality stuff is more troubling than the recent struggles to me. There are a lot of guys in his tier that haven’t had playoff struggles in part because they teams can’t get there.

We can agree to disagree but he’s in that tier of guy that is 15-30... he plays the role/position that is possibly the most necessary and hardest to fill.

I just think if a deal like this was on the table you’d have to go for it... unless the off court and locker room stuff was too big a problem. You could then flip Conley for Horford and stuff and split the center minutes with Zubac and Horford. Gives you different looks and gets you some more roster flexibility. You could also move Mike for something else.

Wings get rings and if you can’t get LeBron or Kawhi you work down the list... won’t take long before Paul is the obvious best wing left. If you can get Brown great but he’s younger and his price tag would be a lot higher.

 

[LoPo]

He’s had three disappointing runs but two were with westbrick and one was in a bubble with a team that really had no solid leadership.

The personality stuff is more troubling than the recent struggles to me. There are a lot of guys in his tier that haven’t had playoff struggles in part because they teams can’t get there.

We can agree to disagree but he’s in that tier of guy that is 15-30... he plays the role/position that is possibly the most necessary and hardest to fill.

I just think if a deal like this was on the table you’d have to go for it... unless the off court and locker room stuff was too big a problem. You could then flip Conley for Horford and stuff and split the center minutes with Zubac and Horford. Gives you different looks and gets you some more roster flexibility. You could also move Mike for something else.

Wings get rings and if you can’t get LeBron or Kawhi you work down the list... won’t take long before Paul is the obvious best wing left. If you can get Brown great but he’s younger and his price tag would be a lot higher.

I would look long and hard at the deal, but I would probably end up saying no. If we move on from Rudy, it has to be a for a youth movement that can grow with Don. Going in a lateral direction (similar age and contract) doesn't do much for me.

I definitely think PG is a top 30 player. He is good. He is valuable. However, he struggled next to Kawhi and Westbrook in the very recent past. Those guys have had more postseason success without PG than with him.

Lastly, I don't like his fit with Donovan. I don't think he would take the backseat. He struggled doing it with Kawhi and Westbrook. Don is nice enough (like he was with JC and Conley last year) to defer. I just don't see PG returning the favor. He seems to shoot when he wants to. He's just not a playoff performer.

 

[Beer]

We can agree to disagree but he’s in that tier of guy that is 15-30... he plays the role/position that is possibly the most necessary and hardest to fill.

I think because of this paragraph he's more in the 10 - 15 range than the 15 - 30. His playoff issues are the real worry here. No point in wasting time in the regular season if you are going to **** the bed in the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would look long and hard at the deal, but I would probably end up saying no. If we move on from Rudy, it has to be a for a youth movement that can grow with Don. Going in a lateral direction (similar age and contract) doesn't do much for me.

I definitely think PG is a top 30 player. He is good. He is valuable. However, he struggled next to Kawhi and Westbrook in the very recent past. Those guys have had more postseason success without PG than with him.

Lastly, I don't like his fit with Donovan. I don't think he would take the backseat. He struggled doing it with Kawhi and Westbrook. Don is nice enough (like he was with JC and Conley last year) to defer. I just don't see PG returning the favor. He seems to shoot when he wants to. He's just not a playoff performer.

Fair enough... I don't think a youth movement is in our best interest... and there are other ways to get young players. A youth movement takes a few years to get ready and I don't think DM wants to wait... the pick we owe next year complicates matters further. Even if PG bailed after next year you'd have picked up Zubac and would likely have gotten some young pieces or draft assets if you moved Mike for Al. We'd end up with a fairly clean cap sheet 2022-23.

With the shorter contracts and player movement being at an all time high you really have to get two young studs within a draft of each other if you want to go the youth movement route. Our issues recently is one all-star leaves while the other is ascending. You really have to bottom out for multiple years for it to work at the highest levels.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think because of this paragraph he's more in the 10 - 15 range than the 15 - 30. His playoff issues are the real worry here. No point in wasting time in the regular season if you are going to **** the bed in the playoffs.

He was good in Indiana, but yeah its concerning. This year that Clips team really had some locker room issues (some that he probably didn't help much)... and the playoffs were in the bubble so I am willing to give him a pass for this year. He has some excuses between playing with Westbrook and the team this year never jelling. I'd be willing to bet on him being better.

I think it'd be a bit of a panic move for them to trade him after last year.

 

[idiot]

I will say this about the idea: it's a whole lot better for the Jazz than many of the other fake trades for Gobert that I've seen out there (and probably most of the rest of NBA fans would think the Jazz fleeced the Clips if this went down).

 

[LogGrad98]

He’s had three disappointing runs but two were with westbrick and one was in a bubble with a team that really had no solid leadership.

The personality stuff is more troubling than the recent struggles to me. There are a lot of guys in his tier that haven’t had playoff struggles in part because they teams can’t get there.

We can agree to disagree but he’s in that tier of guy that is 15-30... he plays the role/position that is possibly the most necessary and hardest to fill.

I just think if a deal like this was on the table you’d have to go for it... unless the off court and locker room stuff was too big a problem. You could then flip Conley for Horford and stuff and split the center minutes with Zubac and Horford. Gives you different looks and gets you some more roster flexibility. You could also move Mike for something else.

Wings get rings and if you can’t get LeBron or Kawhi you work down the list... won’t take long before Paul is the obvious best wing left. If you can get Brown great but he’s younger and his price tag would be a lot higher.

If he's going to be the star shouldn't be be the leadership?

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

I still think that jaylen brown should be the sought after prize if negotiations head south with the big guy. Mitchell and brown together could go places.


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[LoPo]

I still think that jaylen brown should be the sought after prize if negotiations head south with the big guy. Mitchell and brown together could go places.


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I would include picks for Brown.

If Brown for Rudy happens, we trade Conley for Horford and a load of assets. That's a 10 year plan. We could build a dynasty around Don, Brown and other smart moves to support them.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

If he's going to be the star shouldn't be be the leadership?

Could say the same thing about Kawhi.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Last year PG was in the MVP race and dpoy race. Crazy how wild this board can swing after one bad playoffs in the bubble. He came in 3rd place in both of those.

My problem with him is his age and personality. I seriously doubt he wants to play in Utah. So it's a no for me. If he wanted to be here and was committed to the Jazz it would be an easy yes for me.

Struggling in the playoffs at times is a knock. But he also does everything else well when his shot isn't going in. Plus he is still trying to figure things out on a new team and the bubble was just weird for everyone.