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Would you go for a total rebuild?

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idiot

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More of a philosophical question than one about specific players, but I'll give an example with specific players (even though it's an extremely remote possibility):

Let's say the Cavs draft #2 & 8 this year. They like DWill at 2, but are not thrilled with the possibilities at 8. They're willing trade the pick for Harris, Evans, & Tomic.

Raptors draft #5 where they miss out on any of the inside threats they were hoping to get in the draft. They're willing to trade their #1 next year for Big Al & CJ.

That would leave the Jazz with a fair possibility of picking up 8 lottery picks between the 2010, 2011, 2012 drafts. Would you do this? Fastest way to destroy the franchise? Or best way to avoid the long-term 35-win limbo of mediocrity?
 
idiot said:
More of a philosophical question than one about specific players, but I'll give an example with specific players (even though it's an extremely remote possibility):

Let's say the Cavs draft #2 & 8 this year. They like DWill at 2, but are not thrilled with the possibilities at 8. They're willing trade the pick for Harris, Evans, & Tomic.

Raptors draft #5 where they miss out on any of the inside threats they were hoping to get in the draft. They're willing to trade their #1 next year for Big Al & CJ.

That would leave the Jazz with a fair possibility of picking up 8 lottery picks between the 2010, 2011, 2012 drafts. Would you do this? Fastest way to destroy the franchise? Or best way to avoid the long-term 35-win limbo of mediocrity?
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what if a fairy flew by and pooped in your mouth...
would you swallow it because it has magical qualities, OR would you spit it out and go along being your average self?

btw, question is addressed to everybody. thx.
 
NAOS said:
what if a fairy flew by and pooped in your mouth...
would you swallow it because it has magical qualities, OR would you spit it out and go along being your average self?

btw, question is addressed to everybody. thx.
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Lol spit it out, I've got a pretty great life as is :)

And why would we blow up this Jazz team for the possibilty to have 8 lotto picks on our team? Any solid contender has vets mixed with a little youth. 8th pick <Harris, next yrs Torontos 1st round pick<Jefferson, Miles!
 
NAOS said:
what if a fairy flew by and pooped in your mouth...
would you swallow it because it has magical qualities, OR would you spit it out and go along being your average self?

btw, question is addressed to everybody. thx.
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Eat it. It will probably make me a super hero, or at least trip balls.
 
I am pretty sure we are in the middle of a total rebuild. No one is (or should be at least) untouchable. Trade anyone and anything that will get us better down the road.

So I am not sure exactly what you are getting at.
 
NAOS said:
what if a fairy flew by and pooped in your mouth...
would you swallow it because it has magical qualities, OR would you spit it out and go along being your average self?

btw, question is addressed to everybody. thx.
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So, spit....or swallow. Hmmm. Tough choice.
 
Total rebuilds are for teams that have massive talent issues across the board and/or albatross contracts. We don't fit that. No teams ever want to do total rebuilds because A) it's financially catastrophic and B) there's huge risk in trying to build a franchise entirely through the draft. Offhand, OKC is the only team that's pulled that off. You could argue Memphis, but they traded Gasol and it took them years. Chicago got Rose, but they sucked for a decade trying to draft correctly. The majority of 'rebuilding' teams rebuild forever.

Every guy we have is tradeable, but we have good players to sort out, and a lot of financial flexibility since our highest paid players are only under contract for the next two years.
 
Nope. But I think we should get rid of everybody that doesn't factor into the future (trade Memo, trade Raja, do not resign AK, Watson is good for year-by-year contracts, maybe move Harris depending on the draft) now and try to get draft picks or young talents for those players. Also I think it would be smart to get under the cap immediately and not try to add any bad contracts (like Iggy). This may mean the essential forfeit of next season (semi-rebuild) and just have that season to work out our lineup for the future.
 
Shad said:
Haven't we already started on a total rebuild?
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If your definition of 'total rebuild' is 'every player is tradeable,' then 85 percent of the teams in the NBA are 'totally rebuilding' every single year. There's only a few guys in the league who are totally untradeable. Even Dwight Howard is being mentioned as a trade possibility, but that's only because Otis Smith wet his bed and he's tired of sleeping in his own urine.

My definition of 'total rebuild' is when a team is looking to unload players for salary purposes. Clear the decks. Get what they can. Cleveland is the easiest example of this. Dan Gilbert probably wipes tears out of his eyes every time Baron Davis or Antawn Jamison high five him on their way in the building.

Other teams fit this profile, but the basic dividing line is any team that is willing to give away assets just to get rid of dead weight. We don't have any dead weight as much as I'd like to put Raja in that category. Getting rid of him wouldn't be too painful. Memo on an expiring doesn't hurt us too bad, either. On the flip side, every other guy we have has actual trade value and/or can be good pieces for us moving forward.
 
Sure.

On a related note, if they would've dumped Harris and Jefferson, they could've thrown a ****-load of money at Marc Gasol. Either the Grizzlies match and are well on their way to the highest payroll in the league, or the Jazz have a totally ridiculously awesome big rotation. That gives you:

4) Favors/Millsap
5) Gasol/Favors

At the absolute minimum. You'd still have Memo for a year and through one of those trades probably have another big somewhere in there and/or more picks, plus the two lottery picks this year, plus Hayward, plus the GS pick. AT LEAST. That's not bad. Oh well, not happening now.

And I've been high on Gasol for a long time. Eat my shorts.
 
Shad said:
Al > Marc.
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Passing > Shooting every time you touch the ball
Setting effective picks > Getting lost on most of the plays and subsequently forcing the offense to be tailored to your overrated, blackhole post-game because there isn't anything else you can really do
 
Young and having no serious or recurring injury, durable, versatile, still-improving legitimate/true C > Tweener whose greatest defense for his shortcomings has been and continues to be his age, despite having already played seven NBA seasons and only appreciably improving after his sophomore season and that he learned to catch a pass while moving 6.5 seasons in.
 
Never having finished a season at or below 50% from the field >>>>>>>> Haven't finished a season above 50% from the field in the last four seasons

Furthermore:

Marc Gasol's worst FG% for a year is .01 worse than Jefferson's best.
 
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