Would you rather....

[KqWIN]

Oh dear lord. Getting 6 wins over projection requires otherworldly development or "that guy"?

Key turning from negative to positive and Cody/Hendricks becoming a consistent contributor to fill the 3&D wing defender role would probably do it.

I get that acting like you got all the answers and killing threads you dont like with your shtick are your things, but let us peasants have our ignorant fun here.

No idea why you care so much about me. You really shouldn't be so insecure about me posting an opinion, it's not that serious.

Anyways, yes....I do think it will take significant development to get to 8-10. Realistically, 8-10 means that we were probably 12-14 level but quit half way through. We've already done that twice in a row, there is no reason to believe we would not do that when the incentives are greater. Getting to that level will take a significant jump from the existing players. We are significantly worse than years past and the west is extremely tough. Like I said, this roster isn't anything close to previous years. I don't see a scenario where our vets carry us to 8-10 because we don't have many vets to begin with, and all signs point to us playing for development.

 

[HermanG]

No idea why you care so much about me. You really shouldn't be so insecure about me posting an opinion, it's not that serious.

Anyways, yes....I do think it will take significant development to get to 8-10. Realistically, 8-10 means that we were probably 12-14 level but quit half way through. We've already done that twice in a row, there is no reason to believe we would not do that when the incentives are greater. Getting to that level will take a significant jump from the existing players. We are significantly worse than years past and the west is extremely tough. Like I said, this roster isn't anything close to previous years. I don't see a scenario where our vets carry us to 8-10 because we don't have many vets to begin with, and all signs point to us playing for development.

You cant lack so much self-awareness that you dont see your tendency to kill threads? I have zero insecurities about you its just that I dislike your buzzkilling ways in a discussion forum like this.

Just skip more of these stupid topics, will ya?

 

[KqWIN]

You cant lack so much self-awareness that you dont see your tendency to kill threads? I have zero insecurities about you its just that I dislike your buzzkilling ways in a discussion forum like this.

Just skip more of these stupid topics, will ya?

If you're so bothered by me commenting on a topic, then you can ignore it. If you created this thread to complain about me talking about the thread and not to talk about the topic, my bad. I'll just keep talking about the topic and ignore your whining from now on.

 

[KqWIN]

IF Hendricks became such a force on defense that he makes John Collins lineups work, and is a good enough 3pt shooter that he has to be guarded at all time, then we might have some really good lineups.

We'll definitely have some good lineups...but significantly more poor lineups. We just have so many bad/inexperienced players littered throughout the roster. Hardy has found his way to good lineups in the past, but his options are much more limited this year and I think he will have the same mentality as Pop did last year with the Spurs. Given all that extracurricular activity an 8-10 finish would represent a pretty significant internal jump. The problem with projecting us finishing higher is that whatever goes well, we're likely to cut it later on in the season. For example, if Lauri/Sexton levels up again....we probably won't see them much the second half of the year. If Key/Hendricks establish themselves, the less likely we are to see them in the second half. Basically anything positive in terms of wins is weighed down by the reality that we will inevitably pull the plug. It's hard for me to see a scenario where we end up 8-10 and feel about the same as we do now with our youngins.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Sexton "levels up" it will be interesting to see if that results in him being traded or the Jazz deciding to go forward with him as the PGOTF.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like if Sexton suddenly starts being a very good PNR with a guy like Walker, that would be leveling up to me (not just scoring, but feeding Kessler). To my eye test, he was very good with Collins in the PNR, but he's much easier player to play with than a Walker.

 

[KqWIN]

Sexton was pretty damn good with both Collins and Kessler on the court (better with Kessler actually). I think he’s the most likely out of anyone to level up….and yet I’m not sure that leveling up will make him more likely to be here long term.

Long term, only one of Sexton and Keyonte can realistically be a starter.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I would rather have the next Wemby/Chet/Shai/Lauri types than have Keyonte, Hendricks, Sensabaugh, etc solidify themselves as NBA role players or NBA starters. Get the pic... THEN level up.

Besides, they can level up and we can still lose even though that falls outside of the extremes setup here.

 

[oldtimer]

tired of picking 8-10. the jazz could do it again if they really emphasized winning over development. i just prefer to take a shot in this draft and see if we cant get another great player.

 

[Park Bites]

interesting debate. I could see I could see either happening to be honest.

I don't know if Lauri has a next level to get to but if he became top 10 in the NBA that would make it very hard not to be a playoff team. I'm not sure what would need to be improved for that to happen.

Clarkson I hope is gone soon. For him, it would not be getting to the next level but just getting back to his best form. Then let's move him. I can't see how he would improve the team too much unless he suddenly became the PG we needed.

John Collins - doesn't really have a next level. I guess becoming a shutdown defender in addition to a 3-point shooter. That could create some wins but seriously not happening.

Walker Kessler - has the potential to be somewhat of a game-changer. He would need to defend better in space and get his head on straight. Become a threat from the outside and get a low post-game going. All while still defending the rim at a high rate. Tjis would cause more wins and make the Jazz way more competitive.

Colin Sexton - is one of my favorite Jazz players. If he became a more cerebral defender and put his effort into playing smarter. Becoming the Jazz PG of the future. yes this would cause more wins.

kEyonte George - is the one that I would peg the most as having the biggest impact next season but A LOT would need to change with his game and I can see incremental changes but nothing to get too many more wins.

Taylor Hendricks - If he plays with passion every game could be the real deal but I am not holding my breath. To become a true 3 and D player could add a few more wins.

Filipowski, Williams and Collier - I just need to see more. Who knows what they will bring. I like Williams but he needs A LOT more strength.

as for my answer I would rather see improvement and see a future then the same old same old.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sexton was pretty damn good with both Collins and Kessler on the court (better with Kessler actually). I think he’s the most likely out of anyone to level up….and yet I’m not sure that leveling up will make him more likely to be here long term.

Long term, only one of Sexton and Keyonte can realistically be a starter.

Maybe by the tracking data for just points per possession, but to my eye (from my memory, so fwiw), he didnt really make passes to Walker like the way he did Collins. Him and Collins had some chemistry. It felt like no one on the team had any PNR chemistry with Walker.

 

[HermanG]

tired of picking 8-10. the jazz could do it again if they really emphasized winning over development. i just prefer to take a shot in this draft and see if we cant get another great player.

Are you saying that none of our 6 combined picks from 2023 and 2024 can become great players?

Seeing leap(s) from (some of) them would indicate that we got something there. Seeing them struggle would indicate the opposite, and would require us to hit on "the next guy".

So its really a question of "higher draft pedigree vs proven NBA skills". We can get both in reality, but if this hypothetical trade-off would exist which one would you pick?

History has proven that stars can come from all over the draft. I would guess 6 picks in 9-32 range probably has a higher % to produce one than a single top 3 pick.