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[NUMBERICA]

His PER is an entire point higher... is that substantially? He is essentially the same player.

He is also surrounded by more offensive talent in Orlando than Hood is in Utah (especially w/ Gobert's injury and Rubio coming to Utah). Orlando also plays at a faster pace.

Oh come on.

Per 100 possessions, PER, AST%, eFG% are pace adjusted.

Fournier is better in nearly every statistal category, and by large (assist-rate) to staggering amounts in some (pace adjusted on/off court +/-). I forgot to mention a better VORP and twice the win shares per 48.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hood is playing the 6th man role on a team so depleted of offensive talent and scoring he has to take a ton of shots. He is playing a much harder role than Fournier is.

Fournier plays on a team w/ a lot of other guys who can create their own offense (Gordon/Vucevic/Payton/Simmons). Not saying those are great dudes, and Orlando has had their own injuries issues, but it's more than what Utah has (which is currently just Mitchell and Hood, who Quin is forced to play separately so he can have someone who can get their own shot on the court at all times)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Oh come on.

Per 100 possessions, PER, AST%, eFG% are pace adjusted.

Fournier is better in nearly every statistal category, and by large (assist-rate) to staggering amounts in some (pace adjusted on/off court +/-).

Again, the PER is a staggering (sarcasm) difference of 1.

I'm not going to take things like +/- seriously when Hood has to play on a bad team's 2nd unit because of their lack of scoring options and the fact that NBA politics dictates Utah has to try and make this Rubio thing work out since they used a first round pick to get him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Hood is playing the 6th man role on a team so depleted of offensive talent and scoring he has to take a ton of shots. He is playing a much harder role than Fournier is.

Fournier plays on a team w/ a lot of other guys who can create their own offense (Gordon/Vucevic/Payton/Simmons). Not saying those are great dudes, and Orlando has had their own injuries issues, but it's more than what Utah has (which is currently just Mitchell and Hood, who Quin is forced to play separately so he can have someone who can get their own shot on the court at all times)

I get that he's your boy.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Again, the PER is a staggering (sarcasm) difference of 1.

I'm not going to take things like +/- seriously when Hood has to play on a bad team's 2nd unit because of their lack of scoring options and the fact that NBA politics dictates Utah has to try and make this Rubio thing work out since they used a first round pick to get him.

Yeah dude, just ignore nearly every statistical measurement. You are cherry-picking everything about this and substantially changing figures.

Have a little intellectual honesty.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah dude, just ignore nearly every statistical measurement. That's the way.

The stats say they are basically the same. Plus, you can't just take stats at face value, you have to think about the factors that influence them. Like who Hood is playing with (rarely gets to play w/ Utah's best player) vs Fournier (most of his minutes are going to be shared w/ the Magic's other best players)
The eye test says Hood is better. Just watch Fournier on defense, trust me he is worse than Hood.

Then you factor in Hood has 2 years less experience.
You factor in Hood will likely cost less next year.
You factor in Hood will likely have more years of contract control.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And have we not seen Utah's system is not kind to assist? Have we not seen Rubio's assist drop drastically when coming to Utah? So are we really going to act like Fournier having higher assist stats is some "Eureka!" moment for Fournier against Hood?

 

[NUMBERICA]

The stats say they are basically the same.

They don't. I promise they don't. That **** adds up. Especially factoring that Fournier has better offensive +/- and defensive +/- BY A LOT.

Furthermore, does Hood play well with Mitchell?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Have a little intellectual honesty.

You are talking about intellectual honesty when you framed a point difference in PER as being substantially higher?

 

[NUMBERICA]

And have we not seen Utah's system is not kind to assist? Have we not seen Rubio's assist drop drastically when coming to Utah? So are we really going to act like Fournier having higher assist stats is some "Eureka!" moment for Fournier against Hood?

The Jazz system takes ballhandling duties away from PGs and distributes them to wings. That, and Rubio is easier and easier to scout.

 

[NUMBERICA]

You are talking about intellectual honesty when you framed a point difference in PER as being substantially higher?

Jesus you're pedantic. It is substantial, it isn't massive. It's also much closer to 2 than 1 (nearly twice the difference). It's not nothing, and that this is where you hang your hat is very revealing to the weakness of your argument, which consists of mostly excuses.

EDIT: it's 1.3, thought it was 1.7. Whoops. So Hood still has a worse PER on top of everything else.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They don't. I promise they don't. That **** adds up. Especially factoring that Fournier has better offensive +/- and defensive +/- BY A LOT.

Furthermore, does Hood play well with Mitchell?

So there are no other factors at play?

This being Hood's first year in a high usage role (higher than anything Fournier has sniffed) doesnt factor in?

Hood barely getting to play w/ Mitchell doesnt factor in (less than half his total minutes)? And yes, they havent played particularly well together, but I think that's largely due to how little they play together.

You can't just look at stats and make sweeping conclusions if we are talking about intellectual honesty.