Would you trade ...

[Coach Ellis]

Me when Lopo proposes a trade on JFC

Wish I could rep. This is rep worthy.

 

[gomretat]

Cy, seriously, why are you such an unhappy, pain in the ***?

Every single trade I propose has a logic to them. If you don't agree, well tough cookies. Will the other team or the Jazz even bite on the trade? Most times no because there is too much pride involved and trades are more difficult to pull off than the trade machine makes it appear. Every trade I propose is based off of credible sources or straight from a GM, coach, etc. And every trade idea comes as the initial offer. An initial offer is rarely ever the one agreed upon. It's called compromise.

So if you don't like a trade idea, swallow your extremely small sense of pride and just agree with it or disagree with it. Taking shots will not make you any bigger or me upset. I'm going to do what I do which is stay positive and look for solutions.

On to the next idea...

I am not buying that pride is the reason for trades not happening. Doesn't resonate at all and over simplifies a very complex process. And you do use the extremely limited knowledge than fans can glean but at least 90% of what goes on happens behind the curtain so like everyone else you have to make a lot of assumptions. Add to that the fact that the bits and pieces we hear in public are often said for all kinds of reasons and maneuvering. You work the trade issue with more zeal than anyone else which is fine but you make so many assumptions in doing so that challenging the logic will always happen.

 

[LoPo]

I am not buying that pride is the reason for trades not happening. Doesn't resonate at all and over simplifies a very complex process. And you do use the extremely limited knowledge than fans can glean but at least 90% of what goes on happens behind the curtain so like everyone else you have to make a lot of assumptions. Add to that the fact that the bits and pieces we hear in public are often said for all kinds of reasons and maneuvering. You work the trade issue with more zeal than anyone else which is fine but you make so many assumptions in doing so that challenging the logic will always happen.

You're right. There is so much we don't know or see. All my ideas are based on speculation and a guess on what might be good for all teams involved. Some guys spend time on here saying a player shouldn't play or should do this or be better at that. I just choose to spend my time fixing multiple teams instead of players. But I do it understanding that my trades are extremely hopeful.

 

[LoPo]

Here we go - Atlanta is willing to dump Ilyasova and Bellinelli for a 2nd rounder. http://www.basketballinsiders.com/hawks-set-asking-price-on-belinelli-and-ilyasova/

Burks and 3 2nd rounders for those 2? Both are expiring. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8tv3muc

Highly, highly unlikely but you never know.

 

[idiot]

For those few who care:

Locke did admit this morning that it was Fournier who he had in mind when hinting about trying to figure out how to pick up a player in the $17-20 M range.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For those few who care:

Locke did admit this morning that it was Fournier who he had in mind when hinting about trying to figure out how to pick up a player in the $17-20 M range.

He'd fit well, but I don't think we'd give up what Orlando wants for him. He would cost a 1st, expirings, and maybe Hood.

 

[idiot]

He'd fit well, but I don't think we'd give up what Orlando wants for him. He would cost a 1st, expirings, and maybe Hood.

There's no way we'd go anywhere close to that. I think the premise of the idea is that Orlando is eager to move off his contract in order to clear the way to re-sign Aaron Gordon. If they're not motivated, then there's no point in even thinking about him.

 

[Coach Ellis]

He'd fit well, but I don't think we'd give up what Orlando wants for him. He would cost a 1st, expirings, and maybe Hood.

I’d probably keep Hood, but wouldn’t mind a semi-heavily protected first going out for him. Fournier would make a decent Robin to Spida’s Batman. . . and at about half of what we would’ve paid Hayward for the same role. Maybe the Jazz staff works some magic and he makes a big jump in Utah as a 2nd or 3rd option.

Gobert, Mitchell, Fournier, Jingles, Hood, Exum and maybe Rubio is a solid foundation to build around. Add Mirotic to that too. . .

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There's no way we'd go anywhere close to that. I think the premise of the idea is that Orlando is eager to move off his contract in order to clear the way to re-sign Aaron Gordon. If they're not motivated, then there's no point in even thinking about him.

They really don’t have to clear anything to sign Gordon. They are in great tanking shape. I’d do it in a second if it was just about taking his money on. He’s actually a good value on that deal.

I see no reason for them to trade him unless they got a 1st and then some.

 

[LoPo]

If we could get Fournier for a package built around Hood and an expiring, I would consider it.

I just don't know anything at this point. Until the Mirotic thing shakes down, we really are in the dark. We can't afford to take on Fournier's salary and get Mirotic and keep Rubio and Burks. Hard to see that all happening without some major tax bill for next season.

 

[idiot]

I’d probably keep Hood, but wouldn’t mind a semi-heavily protected first going out for him. Fournier would make a decent Robin to Spida’s Batman. . . and at about half of what we would’ve paid Hayward for the same role. Maybe the Jazz staff works some magic and he makes a big jump in Utah as a 2nd or 3rd option.

Gobert, Mitchell, Fournier, Jingles, Hood, Exum and maybe Rubio is a solid foundation to build around. Add Mirotic to that too. . .

Fournier is far closer to a Hood than a Hayward (in both role and value), I think.

 

[infection]

If we could get Fournier for a package built around Hood and an expiring, I would consider it.

I just don't know anything at this point. Until the Mirotic thing shakes down, we really are in the dark. We can't afford to take on Fournier's salary and get Mirotic and keep Rubio and Burks. Hard to see that all happening without some major tax bill for next season.

Having Fournier and Mirotic would put us at 111.5M next year. Just go out and do your Atlanta trade to clear Burks. That would leave you with a little bit of money to re-sign Exum or let him go out to pasture.

Adding Fournier and Mirotic are huge pieces. In any case, you'd anticipate Hood is getting at least Fournier money. I would view Fournier as a better, more cost-controlled Hood and would actually help our cap situation next year.