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WOW hornets......3yrs 27million Lance Stephenson! wowowoowowoww so mad right now.

Handlogten's Heros said:
I love the talk about the players having to be altruistic for the benefit of the team. They aren't fans they are employees. The billionaire owners beat up on the millionaire owners and now the top talent are expected to take a pay cut or they aren't team players.

What guys like Dirk do is great for the team but shouldn't be expected especially not of guys signing their first big contracts. Also, some of these guys get side deals where the organization takes care of them after retirement. Cuban will take care if dirk in other business deals. Not sure we will ever see G-time Hyundai.
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Owners can always spend up to the luxury tax and beyond if they need to. They're owners for a reason. Personally, I think that it's crazy that teams don't better utilize rookie contracts. You have a good four years of cheap labor, and then the right to match any offer that comes your way. I mean, it's nice and all to go out and get free agents. . . but if I were an owner, I'd be making damn sure that my front office is drafting and developing players as well as possible.
 
Diamond77 said:
I'm fed up with this story....you don't win championships only with good personality players! The head coach is not paid to manage only players with good attitude, if a coach has personality he can manage difficult players too!

Charlotte made a huge deal and the Jazz screwed up with a ridiculous contract!
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Yep, the Jazz has Stephenson for the taking but chose Hayward instead.

That's exactly how it happened. :rolleyes:

There are a lot of unsubstantiated assumptions being thrown around in this thread.
 
Jeditiger said:
Yeah but they shouldn't have to. And I really can't stand everyone who is berating a guy for getting paid for his services. Its what helps make Jazz fanz seem petty and clueless.
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LOL .. pretty sure the Heat wouldn't have won the 2 championships if they haven't each taken a bit less. Same thing goes with Duncan, he still could have gotten MAX in the open market but he's chosen to take less to play. Same goes with Dirk this year who will be the 3rd most paid on the Mavs as he wanted them to stay competitive.


That's the system we're all playing under. If everyone wants absolute MAX, you just won't win.


If you don't realise this, I'm pretty sure that makes you the 'clueless' one.
 
Shocker00 said:
Players that have had known character issues before playing with the Jazz:

Kirk Snyder
Luther Wright
Dee Brown
Robert Whaley
Olden Polynice
John Drew

Feel free to list any that I missed. I been hearing the Jazz won't take players with character issues since 1982 when I first started watching them. These are players that had known issues before playing with the Utah Jazz, so saying they won't take someone with character issues is simply wrong.
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How many players with character issues has Dennis Lindsey taken?



Exactly.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
LOL .. pretty sure the Heat wouldn't have won the 2 championships if they haven't each taken a bit less. Same thing goes with Duncan, he still could have gotten MAX in the open market but he's chosen to take less to play. Same goes with Dirk this year who will be the 3rd most paid on the Mavs as he wanted them to stay competitive.


That's the system we're all playing under. If everyone wants absolute MAX, you just won't win.


If you don't realise this, I'm pretty sure that makes you the 'clueless' one.
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Then why don't they play for the minimum if winning is so important? Why not for free? The owners took the players to the woodshed in the last CBA and now they want players to take even less? Sorry but that's BS.
 
Aren't the real and relevant points as follows:

1. Lance and GH were both FA's;
2. Both were fishing for the most money they could get;
3. Another team thought GH was worth the max and offered it to him.
4. The best Lance could get was 9 mill a year.
5. The market has rated Lance a 9 mill a year player and GH a 15 mill a year player;
6. I think we all agree that there is not a 6 mill a year difference in the quality of player between Lance and GH.
7. However, there are obviously other factors at play in the market which have resulted in the above difference. I think it is safe to assume, that the market did not want to touch Lance, not only the jazz, but it must have been most of the nba. Accordingly, most of the nba has rated Lance as a huge risk/cancer and therefore were not willing to pay the money Lance would have received had he not had such characteristics.
8. The conclusion has to be that there was low demand for Lance, and therefore he only got 9 mill a year.
9. For whatever reason, the experts in the NBA had demand for GH and therefore the market put him at 15 mill a year.
10. Lastly, I don't think you can compare these two deals because, based on the above, it is clear that the majority of the nba put huge risk on Lance's character.
 
Jeditiger said:
Then why don't they play for the minimum if winning is so important? Why not for free? The owners took the players to the woodshed in the last CBA and now they want players to take even less? Sorry but that's BS.
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Why only take the extreme cases? Do you only see black and white?


c'mon man you're better than that. (i think)
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Why only take the extreme cases? Do you only see black and white?


c'mon man you're better than that. (i think)
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My hyperbole was only to show that money is still the major factor involved.
Look, I just don't have a problem with players trying to get paid. The average NBA career is short.
 
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