You hear a knocking at your window and your first instinct is to shoot into the darkness?

[Cappy_Smurf]

This probably isn't really a joke, and if it is it's not racist.

I'd say it was a joke, and racist. Sort of. I doubt Howard meant it to be, but it kinda is. Montana still has a lot of racism between whites and Native Americans, on both sides. A visit to Browning Montana is like traveling back in time. Still lots of bitterness there.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Agreed. This will of course be used to politicize guns, which is sad. Feel terrible for all three kids and their families. This is a tragedy for sure.

Why is that sad?

As if the pro-gun faction wouldn't use an example of successful self defense (as rare as they are) as an opportunity to 'politicize' guns.

I see this is a legitimate 'case study' in a national discussion about the effects of having so many guns so readily available to so many people. One of these clear risks is that it creates the ever present risk of transforming what would otherwise be non-lethal events into lethal events.

Without easy access to a gun, this story would have ended much differently. As would many others. What is wrong with 'politicizing' this fact?

 

[RandyForRubio]

I'd say it was a joke, and racist. Sort of. I doubt Howard meant it to be, but it kinda is. Montana still has a lot of racism between whites and Native Americans, on both sides. A visit to Browning Montana is like traveling back in time. Still lots of bitterness there.

Lots of racism is an understatement. Growing up playing basketball against a lot of Indian schools, I've met a lot of great families. There are some incredibly nice people out there. Heck, my track coach was a famous artist (Elmer Yazzie). With that said, and Cappy will probably understand this, I'm not going to Browing without a gun on me (especially at night with my wife with me).

 

[RandyForRubio]

Why is that sad?

As if the pro-gun faction wouldn't use an example of successful self defense (as rare as they are) as an opportunity to 'politicize' guns.

I see this is a legitimate 'case study' in a national discussion about the effects of having so many guns so readily available to so many people. One of these clear risks is that it creates the ever present risk of transforming what would otherwise be non-lethal events into lethal events.

Without easy access to a gun, this story would have ended much differently. As would many others. What is wrong with 'politicizing' this fact?

Because somebody just died and you want to talk about gun grabbing, when that wouldnt help a damn thing. Do you know how many kids grow up around guns in Montana? Somehow they aren't all killing themselves. What would have helped is more education on gun safety and a little on sense.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've never known a family that had guns that didnt allow their teens to have full access to said guns whenever they pleased. I feel like most parents hand over the reigns once the kids is in HS and thats stupid.

I have lots of guns and ammo.. all locked up. My teenager has no access.

So what's my excuse for being stupid?

 

[Stoked]

Why is that sad?

As if the pro-gun faction wouldn't use an example of successful self defense (as rare as they are) as an opportunity to 'politicize' guns.
I see this is a legitimate 'case study' in a national discussion about the effects of having so many guns so readily available to so many people. One of these clear risks is that it creates the ever present risk of transforming what would otherwise be non-lethal events into lethal events.

Without easy access to a gun, this story would have ended much differently. As would many others. What is wrong with 'politicizing' this fact?

No they are not rare. They are startingly common. Also using that to politicize is still crappy.

This kid never should have had a firearm just laying there to pick up and shoot. He is 15! Like GF said he knew nothing about who was there or why. They were outside the house and not even tryng to come in the window. To me this is criminal.

Not sure what the kid/parents should be charged with but this is criminal to me.

As stated an ounce of common sense and gun training would have prevented this.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Little more info: shooter was 17, home alone, and their house had been broken into earlier this year. No excuses though, it was a dumb move.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

No they are not rare. They are startingly common. Also using that to politicize is still crappy.

This kid never should have had a firearm just laying there to pick up and shoot. He is 15! Like GF said he knew nothing about who was there or why. They were outside the house and not even tryng to come in the window. To me this is criminal.

Not sure what the kid/parents should be charged with but this is criminal to me.

As stated an ounce of common sense and gun training would have prevented this.

Really, common? I'm very skeptical it is all that common. I am even more skeptical that it is nearly as common as accidental discharges or tragic events like this one in which otherwise non-lethal events become lethal, or cases in which someone is injured as a result of a gunshot wound in a situation that might have otherwise been resolved with less harm.

You haven't addressed why it is crappy to 'politicize' this event. Why is that? This hardly strikes me as a self-evident argument.

When tragic events occur, they open political windows to discuss items, bring them to the agenda, etc. So by analogy, if a bridge collapsed, it would be inappropriate to 'politicize' it by using it as an opportunity to discuss the nation's crumbling infrastructure? Similarly, why cannot gun tragedies create opportunities to discuss our nation's gun laws/culture etc.?

By you arguments and absolute proscription against 'politicization,' I take it that we cannot use this tragedy as an opportunity to discuss gun safety training?

Where is the line drawn between politicization and 'taking advantage' of tragedies to discuss issues facing this country? Or can we never do that?

 

[LogGrad98]

Shoot first, then.....actually that's pretty much it. Shoot first.

 

[Beer]

I have lots of guns and ammo.. all locked up. My teenager has no access.

So what's my excuse for being stupid?

Like I said earlier that is generally not the case from my own experience. Good on you for being responsible. The fact some parents treat the stupidest creature on earth, the teenage boy, like a full grown adult is ridiculous.

 

[Stoked]

Really, common? I'm very skeptical it is all that common. I am even more skeptical that it is nearly as common as accidental discharges or tragic events like this one in which otherwise non-lethal events become lethal, or cases in which someone is injured as a result of a gunshot wound in a situation that might have otherwise been resolved with less harm.

You haven't addressed why it is crappy to 'politicize' this event. Why is that? This hardly strikes me as a self-evident argument.

When tragic events occur, they open political windows to discuss items, bring them to the agenda, etc. So by analogy, if a bridge collapsed, it would be inappropriate to 'politicize' it by using it as an opportunity to discuss the nation's crumbling infrastructure? Similarly, why cannot gun tragedies create opportunities to discuss our nation's gun laws/culture etc.?

By you arguments and absolute proscription against 'politicization,' I take it that we cannot use this tragedy as an opportunity to discuss gun safety training?

Where is the line drawn between politicization and 'taking advantage' of tragedies to discuss issues facing this country? Or can we never do that?

The number of discharges and accidents simply go to show how oftern they are carried and present. Do you really think that the only time they are used is when they are actually fired?

Seems highly foolish to assume that. How many go unreported annually? I'd say thousands. Your proof is no more readily available than mine. Simply our opinions on what's plausible.

As for gun training, that is not what you indicated. You talked about how they are so readily available. That indicates gun removal, restriction or something along those lines.

I agree that gun training is needed on a national level.

 

[Stoked]

Like I said earlier that is generally not the case from my own experience. Good on you for being responsible. The fact some parents treat the stupidest creature on earth, the teenage boy, like a full grown adult is ridiculous.

I agree. I have firearms that are locked in a safe that only my wife and I know the combination to. My children are not even allowed to touch the safe. But I have taken them out and given them basic firearm saftey. Shooting, familiarity and seriousness of firearms mostly.

 

[Harambe]

I'd say it was a joke, and racist. Sort of. I doubt Howard meant it to be, but it kinda is. Montana still has a lot of racism between whites and Native Americans, on both sides. A visit to Browning Montana is like traveling back in time. Still lots of bitterness there.

You may be correct, and Howardlers may or may not be a racist. But culturally speaking, Skinwalkers are very serious business.

I think it might be time for another round of Racialism or Not. Where's HH when you need him?
























oh yeah. Banned

 

[franklin]

Right? My first thought is why in the hell does a 15 year old have a gun by their bed that they can just grab and shoot!?

Idiotic at best and possibly criminal.

I had several at 15. So will my kids if they so choose, and have proven responsible.

 

[franklin]

Really? Myself and all of my friends always had to ask permission, even if it was my own gun. And they were always in a safe (that I didn't know the combo to) when not being used.

Because your parents raised you as an irresponsible pussbag.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Lots of racism is an understatement. Growing up playing basketball against a lot of Indian schools, I've met a lot of great families. There are some incredibly nice people out there. Heck, my track coach was a famous artist (Elmer Yazzie). With that said, and Cappy will probably understand this, I'm not going to Browing without a gun on me (especially at night with my wife with me).

Yeah, my first trip to Browning was a real eye-opener. I'd compare the feeling to wandering into the wrong neighborhood in a big city. Place is a trip.

 

[RandyForRubio]

You may be correct, and Howardlers may or may not be a racist. But culturally speaking, Skinwalkers are very serious business.

I think it might be time for another round of Racialism or Not. Where's HH when you need him?
























oh yeah. Banned

I'm just really non-PC, which comes off as racist sometimes. To be blunt, I don't think any race is better or worse than any other race.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Because your parents raised you as an irresponsible pussbag.

My father got his first gun by skipping lunch for 6 months as a 12 year old and saving his lunch money. He promised himself that when he had sons, they would be given a gun on their 12th birthday. 4 boys and we all got 12 gauge Remington 870s on our 12th birthdays, and we were allowed to keep our guns unlocked in our rooms. Nothing bad ever happened, other than my brother blasting a hole in the wall in his bedroom. Needless to say, my dad was smurfing awesome, but also a little nutty. I know how I was at 12, so yeah, I wouldn't be nearly so trusting with my kids.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Yeah, my first trip to Browning was a real eye-opener. I'd compare the feeling to wandering into the wrong neighborhood in a big city. Place is a trip.

I forget which town, Hays-Lodgepole I think, their basketball team lost a game so they chopped a tree down next to the road the away team was leaving on so their bus couldn't get past, and then started chucking rocks and **** at it. And that was pretty tame. They take basketball really seriously. Some places are worse than others. I always enjoyed playing Plenty Coups and Brockton, their fans were pretty good people.

 

[NAOS]

I'm just really non-PC, which comes off as racist sometimes. To be blunt, I don't think any race is better or worse than any other race.

what is a "race"?