You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Bawse Dawg]

Crowder literally doesn't move the 'Championship contender' needle a single inch.

It seems pretty obvious to me why the front office likes the treadmill so much, the fans love it even more.

 

[Jazz4ever]

If we get Mirotic for 15m a year, renounce Favors and trade Crowder, that's almost +10 million saved a year. As for backup PF, Ingles and Royce can do. Positionless basketball.

 

[LoPo]

You do know that we need to make an offer that Memphis will actually accept right?

If you wouldn't trade Exum Crowder and a first for Conley then you're crazy tbh.

If we gave Memphis $30 million of 2019-20 savings, $36 million of 2020-21 savings, and a 2020 1st rounder, I think we've made a pretty fair offer.

 

[LoPo]

Crowder literally doesn't move the 'Championship contender' needle a single inch.

It seems pretty obvious to me why the front office likes the treadmill so much, the fans love it even more.

Neither does a guy like Moe Harkless by himself. Or PJ Tucker by himself. Or Aminu by himself. Or the Morris brothers by themselves.

You don't just give those guys away if you have them and they love your franchise. In the positionless world of playoff basketball, you need those guys.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If we gave Memphis $30 million of 2019-20 savings, $36 million of 2020-21 savings, and a 2020 1st rounder, I think we've made a pretty fair offer.

We wouldn't be "giving" them savings. Trades work because both parties gain what they are looking for.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Neither does a guy like Moe Harkless by himself. Or PJ Tucker by himself. Or Aminu by himself. Or the Morris brothers by themselves.

You don't just give those guys away if you have them and they love your franchise. In the positionless world of playoff basketball, you need those guys.

The Jazz wouldn't be giving him away. They'd be trading him for a player they want more (as they should).

 

[NUMBERICA]

Anyway, here's a good article:

"The Utah Jazz are reportedly expected to initiate offseason trade talks with the Memphis Grizzlies about Mike Conley after failing to acquire the point guard before the NBA trade deadline in February.

Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer reported the update Wednesday, noting "multiple league sources said this week that the Jazz are expected to make another push" for the veteran guard.

Conley bounced back from an injury-plagued 2017-18 campaign to average a career-high 21.1 points along with 6.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds, 2.2 threes and 1.3 steals in 70 appearances this season. Among point guards, he ranked sixth in ESPN's player efficiency rating and ninth in ESPN's real plus-minus."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

- Crowder loves it here and we need waves of guys like Crowder to compete on the course of the season. A good team needs SF/PF guys who defend, play hard and can hit 3's. Trading him like a salary throw in is foolish.

- Selling Exum now to "clear his salary" is bad business. I haven't given up on him yet and I know others haven't either. I think he still plays a major role in our future. The guy has skills we need. We should be behind him instead of bashing him.

- If we wanted to trade for Conley AFTER we strike out in free agency and you have made it abundantly clear you want to move on from Rubio and Favors, then just offer Memphis Korver and a 1st for Conley. Without Favors, Rubio, Thabo, and Udoh, we have about $33 million cap space. There is zero reason to give up Crowder and Exum just to get rid of them.

It isn't an easy call but chill on calling things foolish... Crowder is really replaceable. He doesn't shoot it well and is okay on defense. Sign Demarre Carroll or Jared Dudley to the minimum to replace him.

You include Dante and Jae to clear $15M to upgrade in other places. I'd rather use that money on Jamychal Green and another piece or Rudy Gay or Niko.

Exum hasn't been able to stay on the court and hasn't been good very often when he is on the court... currently he is bad money... has a chance to remedy that, but I wouldn't say it's a good chance. If he was a free agent is he getting 2 years and 18M? Gonna go ahead and say nope. I realize we are "selling low"... but cutting bait with a bad investment is great business... feeding a money pit has some real costs.

It really all comes down to how you feel about Conley as a player... I've always liked him and he just came off of what could have been his best year, but he had zero support. He's just the type of player that helps you win at the highest levels. Think he has a lot of good basketball left. We may not get him for the price I outlined because another team may very well beat that offer... I really like him... you clearly don't.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Anyway, here's a good article:

"The Utah Jazz are reportedly expected to initiate offseason trade talks with the Memphis Grizzlies about Mike Conley after failing to acquire the point guard before the NBA trade deadline in February.

Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer reported the update Wednesday, noting "multiple league sources said this week that the Jazz are expected to make another push" for the veteran guard.

Conley bounced back from an injury-plagued 2017-18 campaign to average a career-high 21.1 points along with 6.4 assists, 3.4 rebounds, 2.2 threes and 1.3 steals in 70 appearances this season. Among point guards, he ranked sixth in ESPN's player efficiency rating and ninth in ESPN's real plus-minus."

He's never had good wings... he's had coaches that weren't like savants... I just wonder if he could either increase his volume or become even more efficient in an intelligent system with shooting and a great diving big.

 

[Carbon13]

Yes

 

[David Stern]

I don't think the Conley rumor is coming from the Jazz's side. Tony would be talking about Conley more if that were true.

 

[LoPo]

It isn't an easy call but chill on calling things foolish... Crowder is really replaceable. He doesn't shoot it well and is okay on defense. Sign Demarre Carroll or Jared Dudley to the minimum to replace him.

You include Dante and Jae to clear $15M to upgrade in other places. I'd rather use that money on Jamychal Green and another piece or Rudy Gay or Niko.

Exum hasn't been able to stay on the court and hasn't been good very often when he is on the court... currently he is bad money... has a chance to remedy that, but I wouldn't say it's a good chance. If he was a free agent is he getting 2 years and 18M? Gonna go ahead and say nope. I realize we are "selling low"... but cutting bait with a bad investment is great business... feeding a money pit has some real costs.

It really all comes down to how you feel about Conley as a player... I've always liked him and he just came off of what could have been his best year, but he had zero support. He's just the type of player that helps you win at the highest levels. Think he has a lot of good basketball left. We may not get him for the price I outlined because another team may very well beat that offer... I really like him... you clearly don't.

It is foolish to trade Crowder if we don't have to. If we trade Crowder and then let Favors walk in order to get Conley, guess what we have to go do? Go find a guy as good as Crowder and another guy as good as Favors. That's a whole lot easier said than done.

This whole Conley idea is so flawed. How much longer does he have at a high level? Are we really going to pay $70 million over two years for a guy who was never an All Star? Does adding him guarantee us anything much better than what we've already had?