You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's pass or fail... did we get Caruso? Yes... pass. No... fail.

Honestly... I'd like to see us get a better stretch or playmaking big... so lower limit we miss on Tobias, but get Gay (10-12M) or Green ($7-9M) or Niko ($12-15M).

We also address wing or pg with the additional $15-20M through trade or FA, but after like Bogdanovic and Lamb it gets kinda dicey... Delon Wright? Ross? JJ Reddick (not a fan)? Might accept a trade for Bazemore if they gave an asset to do it... not sure they would though.

Use room exception on a quality backup center... Dedmon, Vonleh, O Quinn, Theis, Koufus, Lopez, Ed Davis

Also... we should get Caruso.

So if you end up with:

DM
Ingles
Bogdonovic
Green
Rudy

or

DM
Ingles
Royce
Gay
Rudy

I think the starting lineup is better... something like that might seem pretty meh, but I think it would push us forward enough to get a pass from me. Part of it is really trying to get in on Harris etc... and pivoting with something different and more modern.

I'll add that if we didn't get Bojan I'd hope we could swing a deal midseason for a playmaking wing or pg... Mike Conley being the obvious primary target.

 

[LoPo]

Yep.... I'm asking what is the absolute minimum you would require for the Jazz to do in order for you personally to call the off-season success.

For example, signing KD and trading for Conley is obviously on the upper tier of outcomes and almost everybody would call that a success... but we are not talking about dream scenarios here... I'm talking about the absolute worst case scenario that you would still call a success...

If we don't get a least one long term piece for the franchise this summer, I'll be disappointed. I want improvement for next year, but I want higher upside for down the road even more. I don't think our window is right now. I still think we are couple years off. I would take future draft picks for a bad salary over getting somebody like Kevin Love or Mike Conley who maybe elevates us another round.

It's either get the piece that helps us contend right now (Kawhi, Kemba, KD, Tobias, AD, etc.) OR get guys or picks who hopefully grow with Donovan to create a contender in a few years.

Also, I want to take some shots at some younger, unproven guys who might end up pretty good. Instead of spending millions on guys like Thabo, Udoh and Jerekbo, I hope we target guys who are young and still have upside (Caruso, Josh Jackson, guys like that).

 

[fishonjazz]

Niangs heart is probably broken tbh

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[NUMBERICA]

What's the lower limit on what you would consider a successful off season, guys and gals?

Jettisoning pieces we know don't fit and thus don't work in an effort to obtain pieces that fit and thus work.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If we don't get a least one long term piece for the franchise this summer, I'll be disappointed. I want improvement for next year, but I want higher upside for down the road even more. I don't think our window is right now. I still think we are couple years off. I would take future draft picks for a bad salary over getting somebody like Kevin Love or Mike Conley who maybe elevates us another round.

It's either get the piece that helps us contend right now (Kawhi, Kemba, KD, Tobias, AD, etc.) OR get guys or picks who hopefully grow with Donovan to create a contender in a few years.

Also, I want to take some shots at some younger, unproven guys who might end up pretty good. Instead of spending millions on guys like Thabo, Udoh and Jerekbo, I hope we target guys who are young and still have upside (Caruso, Josh Jackson, guys like that).

In a couple years, we won't have this cap space and we won't have Joe Ingles playing like he has been.

The time is now. I've known this since the early part of Donovan's rookie season. The FO has known it too.

 

[LoPo]

In a couple years, we won't have this cap space and we won't have Joe Ingles playing like he has been.

The time is now. I've known this since the early part of Donovan's rookie season. The FO has known it too.

And if we get that great piece (a max free agent type), then let's do it. If we don't, we shouldn't go get Love or Conley who I don't believe are the answer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

In a couple years, we won't have this cap space and we won't have Joe Ingles playing like he has been.

The time is now. I've known this since the early part of Donovan's rookie season. The FO has known it too.

that is kind of where I am. This is as good a window as any... there will always be another GS or Big three team. We don't have to go all in (selling picks and ****), but DM on his contract is a huge competitive advantage. I'd love to get long term pieces like Tobias... but if we can't a pivot to playing more modern and acquiring older pieces or pieces that are just better fits would at very least give us an idea of what it looks like.

I've brought up Rudy Gay... he's old but still so productive and king of exactly what a modern PF looks like and is a really good fit. So say he only has a couple years left at a solid level... you get those two years plus you see how it works and hunt for a younger version of what he brings.

I'd like to see them acknowledge the flaws through moves... not lip service... saying we need more shooting is great but when you bring back Favs Exum and Ricky your actions don't necessarily jive with your words.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And if we get that great piece (a max free agent type), then let's do it. If we don't, we shouldn't go get Love or Conley who I don't believe are the answer.

Why do you keep lumping Conley in with Love? Love is not nearly as good and his contract is twice as long.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Why do you keep lumping Conley in with Love? Love is not nearly as good and his contract is twice as long.

He is also not a playmaker at all... Locke brought up some great points on Conley... he’s never played with good wings or backcourt running mates. He’s old but I wonder what he could unlock with other floor spacers and playmakers around him.

I think his game will age well... he’s fast but he’s more crafty than some... his floater game could be good until he’s 50.

We’d have three all star level players and an elite role player in Joe Ingles... with some other nice pieces like Royce and Crowder (unless he was in the trade).

It would be nice to get an elite FA to say yes but I’d say Conley is the second best plan out there...

Also I think we should get Caruso

 

[LoPo]

Why do you keep lumping Conley in with Love? Love is not nearly as good and his contract is twice as long.

Because I think both of them represent desperation. To get Conley, we are going to have to give up more than just the incredible amount of cap space it takes to pay him the next two years. We are going to have to shell out a 1st rounder or 2 and probably players too.

Love will cost us less to get, and cost us less the next two years. His other two years suck, but if we give up so much for Conley, we will pay him too. I guarantee the next 4 years of Conley will cost around the same as the next 4 years of Love.

Both still represent the same thing - an older player in the twilight of his career making too much money to hopefully get us to the point where we won't get embarrassed in the 1st or 2nd round. It's ludicrous to think Conley or Love will get us past Golden State even without KD.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I guess you don't read real good now do you?

I said if we lose Favors. If we don't get a quality backup for Gobert, I have concerns.

When I mention a player, that doesn't mean that player is the priority. It also doesn't mean that I would give a bunch of assets for said player. All I'm saying is that I could see us having interest in Leonard depending on how everything shakes out.

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I understood. My point was that you’d be willing to pay him almost what you’d want to pay Favors.

Dinwiddie is on a great contract too. 3 years $33m (3rd year a player option).

If we traded for him, I’m guessing we could still sign Harris?

 

[LoPo]

I understood. My point was that you’d be willing to pay him almost what you’d want to pay Favors.

Leonard already has a contract which is $11.2 million next year. If we waived Favors and Favors left, we would still need to find a good backup for Gobert. Portland will have a salary crunch so they might just give Leonard away to save money. If Korver retires, then we owe him $3.44 million.

If we got through free agency and had about $7 million of cap room and no great targets, I would trade Korver for Leonard. It saves Portland money and we would get one year of Leonard to see how he fits.

I wouldn't make Leonard a priority, but I could see a scenario where it's worth giving him a shot at being a replacement for Favors.