YOUTUBE: Classic Jerry Sloan Confrontations

[Okur13]

Loved it. Thanks for sharing

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

Don't allow your unabashed love for one person to become a paranoid-driven hatred of another.

Yeah I know. Rush to judgment.

Like OJ.

There's no way that Deron had anything to do with Sloan leaving.

As for the pic? Sorry I couldn't get a screngrab of Deron's face when talking about Sloan's departure. But rest assured, it didn't look much different.

As for the bold, love and hate are a fine line. It will be interesting to see how much fan reaction Duh-Ron can take; we know how sensitive he can be.

 

[vslice02]

that Sloan hasn't been around much in recent years, although we all love him and will miss him.

I will agree that the intensity and fire of Sloan wasn't there every single night, but 7 days ago in Denver it was. He was up and working the sidelines from the 1st-qtr on, and if you watch during the Bell/Smith flagarant - the first guy Sloan came onto the court to check on was Deron (w/Nene). May not have been the first time, but I still say the stuff involving management after the Chicago game was the breaking point.

Don't want to start up another Deron vs. Sloan argument, though. Just wanted to remember what a tough "son of a gun" he was and how he always had his players' backs.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah I know. Rush to judgment.

Like OJ.

There's no way that Deron had anything to do with Sloan leaving.

As for the pic? Sorry I couldn't get a screngrab of Deron's face when talking about Sloan's departure. But rest assured, it didn't look much different.

As for the bold, love and hate are a fine line. It will be interesting to see how much fan reaction Duh-Ron can take; we know how sensitive he can be.

Look, it's not as if Deron forced out a guy in his prime with a decade ahead of him. Maybe Deron is happy with the change, but I don't believe for a second that the franchise forced Sloan out or left him no other option. Sometimes **** happens, and Sloan's weathered a lot of it. For once, I am buying into what the organization is selling because it makes sense to me and there's nothing substantial to call it into question, and that's that they did butt heads and that decades of that will wear on you.

Greg is not Larry (in fact, I despise him), but Larry's love of Sloan could only be paralleled by Greg's dependence on him.

If Deron is as big of a prick as some people are hell-bent on believing, he'll be gone and we'll truly have a clean slate the likes of which most of us have never seen before. I don't feel warm-fuzzies about the team or it's prospects moving forward, but I only have the choice to try to be optimistic and keep watching or quit. And I tried that this summer already.

Amen.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I will agree that the intensity and fire of Sloan wasn't there every single night, but 7 days ago in Denver it was. He was up and working the sidelines from the 1st-qtr on, and if you watch during the Bell/Smith flagarant - the first guy Sloan came onto the court to check on was Deron (w/Nene). May not have been the first time, but I still say the stuff involving management after the Chicago game was the breaking point.

Don't want to start up another Deron vs. Sloan argument, though. Just wanted to remember what a tough "son of a gun" he was and how he always had his players' backs.

Agreed. And for the record, even if I entertained the derailing, I didn't derail.

But Sloan was an unparalleled badass. He will truly be missed.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

Look, it's not as if Deron forced out a guy in his prime with a decade ahead of him. Maybe Deron is happy with the change, but I don't believe for a second that the franchise forced Sloan out or left him no other option.

So it doesn't matter if Deron had something to do with Sloan's departure now, because Sloan was "old".

Then why did you take issue with me in the first place. You seem to not so much care about the outcome, or Deron's actions, but rather can't stand negative reaction to them.

For once, I am buying into what the organization is selling because it makes sense to me and there's nothing substantial to call it into question, and that's that they did butt heads and that decades of that will wear on you.

And I don't buy it. And have explained why.

Yet you feel the need to attack me, inspecifically, again and again for holding these views.

Further, your arguments then become one where Deron is preferable to Sloan; but how does this disagree with my points? Not at all. This happened because management believes this as well, yet you somehow think it absolves him.

There's such a thing as loyalty. Honor. Character.

I don't think Deron has these things. But, hey, he's really talented, so who cares?

I do. If you don't, I fail to see how that's a pox on my house as far as logic or ethics. But whatever.

 

[PearlWatson]

May not have been the first time, but I still say the stuff involving management after the Chicago game was the breaking point.

I didn't think so at first but after considering this quote by Jerry, maybe:

While in Chicago I had a feeling I was gonna to get fired and did, I got that same feeling again and knew it was my time to go.

 

[Marty McFly]

Didn't he get into it with Bennett Salvatore once?

 

[NUMBERICA]

So it doesn't matter if Deron had something to do with Sloan's departure now, because Sloan was "old".

I'm not saying he forced him out AT ALL. My sentence wasn't terribly clear on that point. I skimmed the rest of your post and it seems it starts from the premise that I believe Deron pushed him out, but I don't. I thought the rest of the body of my post would make that clear.

But I'm done. If you want to carry on with this, feel free.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

I'm not saying he forced him out AT ALL.

That's semantic. It's almost legalese.

Do you think he stood up for Sloan? Wanted him to stay?

Well, that's all that pic was about. Deron's BS tonight was just compounding.

And again, why does Sloan's age matter at all if it wasn't a competition?

My sentence wasn't terribly clear on that point. I skimmed the rest of your post and it seems it starts from the premise that I believe Deron pushed him out, but I don't. I thought the rest of the body of my post would make that clear.

I see it as rather inescapable. Deron made a powerplay, a powerplay that management gave into by becoming involved in his confrontations with Sloan.

I also think there's great circumstantial evidence that Deron was breaking plays, and ignoring Sloan's calls.

 

[vslice02]

Didn't he get into it with Bennett Salvatore once?

What good coach hasn't gotten into it with Benny? Maybe this weekend I'll start trying to compile some clips of technicals/ejections.

I do have some reservation about posting those things youtube because I don't want it to come off to casual nba fans that Jerry was just some whiner with a temper when Jazz fans know how much lager his impact on the game was.

One clip I just came across I'll be sure to post is one time Sloan was so upset over a call that he ran to the end of the bench and sat down in the last seat next to Jacque Vaughn, and Jacque just sat there with this frightened look on his face and wouldn't make eye-contact with Jerry. Maybe Ty can try it that move since there figures to be plenty of empty seats along the bench.

 

[Deleted member 365]

That was by far the crappiest playoffs that I could remember under Stockton and Malone. Cwebb started it the round before by blowing up Stockton. Then the whole Portland fiasco. The flash from the camera just as Bruss shot the FT. Then Pippen nailing a devastating 3. Malone surrounded by Sabonis, Brian Grant, and Sheed.

That sucked.

Then the next year was pretty horrible, losing to Michael Finley and the Mavs in the first round. Calvin Booth destroyed us.