I got the impression he drove a truck that delivered Hostess products, or something like that, but not that he was directly employed by Hostess. I'm too lazy to look for his post about it.
Yup, unions are awesome!
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I got the impression he drove a truck that delivered Hostess products, or something like that, but not that he was directly employed by Hostess. I'm too lazy to look for his post about it.
Gyp Rosetti
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Yeah, I didn't even get that impression. Looking back, perhaps he does. The overall tone in his post though did not convey that to me at the time.
RJF
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Two years. I was training to be a District Sales Manager but because staffing was so low I spent 22 weeks out of state, running sales routes, between Dec 25 and Aug 5.
As for the most recent concessions, those monies were to return in the few years following restructuring, including the company resuming payment into the pension plan. Thre fact of the matter is, the Bakers Union, put almost 20,000 out of work instead of giving people the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere. 5000 Union members lost 19,500 jobs. Spin it however you want, that's the reality.
As for the most recent concessions, those monies were to return in the few years following restructuring, including the company resuming payment into the pension plan. Thre fact of the matter is, the Bakers Union, put almost 20,000 out of work instead of giving people the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere. 5000 Union members lost 19,500 jobs. Spin it however you want, that's the reality.
I don't really understand what you're saying. Do you feel the union had some obligation to accept whatever they were given in order to protect the jobs of everyone who does business with hostess? What should they have done?
That is crappy, and a bad situation. I hope you find something soon.
What would you have done or suggested if you were one of the bakers? Just curious. Was it really another in a string of pay cuts? What is the truth here?
RJF
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I can't speak to exactly what the cuts were before because I wasn't there for them BUT, I knew a few dozen drivers that had taken substantial cuts with the promise of getting them back. The majority of them were on the boat of ratifying the deal so they had some income while they looked elsewhere. There is fault on both sides but it was ultimately the Bakers Union that created the mess of those 19,500.
Gameface: Yes. Why put EVERYONE out when you can suck it up for a year before the cuts get given back? I'll be lucky not to lose my house because they decided nothing was better than something. As I posted before, the bakers union had no interest inthe teamsters members. The Teamsters leadership urged the bakers to take a secret vote before proceeding with the strike and it was ignored. They wanted theirs and everyone else could just go to hell.
SaltyDawg
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So did you read that link I posted? Let me post it again in case you didn't see it:
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162786/-Inside-the-Hostess-Bankery#
Do you disagree with any of that?
Also, why would the company just close down because the bakers decided to strike? Why wouldn't they just call up the local temp agency and say they need a bunch of unskilled workers and they'll pay $8.00 to $11.00 per hour, depending on experience?
Have you seen the latest reports saying the company is asking the bankruptcy court for permission to pay the top execs $1.8 million in bonuses, in addition to their full salaries?
Honestly, I think the management was corrupt. Nobody would have ever been paid back any concessions. Just like nobody got paid back for the pensions that were borrowed.
Sorry you lost your job man, but I think you're placing blame on the wrong people.
Obviously they decided it wasn't worth it. It isn't like they're making out at your expense, they're all losing their jobs, too. I'm sorry this is happening to you, but they didn't owe you anything.
Gyp Rosetti
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Yeah, I get RJF's point of view but I'm with you. Let's see, a company is essentially run into the ground to the point of bankruptcy and executives somehow think they deserve a bonus? This boggles mind in the same way executives during and after the financial crisis bailout felt entitled to massive bonuses despite doing a ****ty job.
candrew
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Executive Bonuses = 1.8 million
Amount of money raided from the pension in which there are currently no plans to pay back = 1.1 million
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This is what American "free enterprise" has become, no holds barred.
"capitalism' at it's finest.
The reason the British colonies took umbrage at the inside track British corporates in the eighteenth century had over their colonial governments bought and paid for in England is the same reason American States today should take umbrage at the inside track "international" corporates have over our "Washington DC" government bought and paid for by capitalists sporting offshore bank accounts and scheming to buy American companies for the express purpose of taking them to China or Mexico to build virtual slave labor camps supplying the "world" markets in our States.
So are you folks going to buy twinkies when they bear "hecho en Mexico" labels, or "Made in China". . . . .?
Hell yeah. . . . . . and at Walmart.
"capitalism' at it's finest.
The reason the British colonies took umbrage at the inside track British corporates in the eighteenth century had over their colonial governments bought and paid for in England is the same reason American States today should take umbrage at the inside track "international" corporates have over our "Washington DC" government bought and paid for by capitalists sporting offshore bank accounts and scheming to buy American companies for the express purpose of taking them to China or Mexico to build virtual slave labor camps supplying the "world" markets in our States.
So are you folks going to buy twinkies when they bear "hecho en Mexico" labels, or "Made in China". . . . .?
Hell yeah. . . . . . and at Walmart.