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Zach Lowe: Paul George would love to play with Gordon Hayward

Saint Cy of JFC said:
You have a crystal ball?
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Then PG13 has 2 years on his contract, because you don't have a crystal ball and his second year is the same as Love's third year - player option.

The point is you have control for just 1 year more. You can still choose 2 years of Love instead of 1 year of PG13, but come on... lets have at least some honesty here.
 
stitches said:
Then PG13 has 2 years on his contract, because you don't have a crystal ball and his second year is the same as Love's third year - player option.

The point is you have control for just 1 year more. You can still choose 2 years of Love instead of 1 year of PG13, but come on... lets have at least some honesty here.
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PG just said he plans on opting out to join Lakers...

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
PG just said he plans on opting out to join Lakers...

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Not really, he just said he's not coming back to Indiana. Also, if Love has any sort of market approaching his contract value in the third year, will opt out too. It doesn't make sense for him not to opt out, unless he can't get anywhere close to that amount on the open market. And if he can't get anywhere close to that amount and you have to pay it to him, then he's not a good contract at that point.

So to break it down Love either:
1. will deserve a contract of similar value and will opt out in order to ensure long-term secure contract
or
2. will not deserve anywhere close to his money due in the 3d year and will pick his option making you pay him an albatross of a contract in his 3d year.
 
Noone is gonna give PG half of his real worth. I mean Cavs is the biggest shot here. They would want to make their move to compete with GSW. No other teams would be willing to deal for him just for a year.
 
Hopefully the Lakers just step in and trade for him now that he's officially made his intentions known. I'd rather see him moved anywhere but Cleveland, GS or SA. ****. And I don't understand why the Pacers would want Love. Are they aiming for 35 to 40 wins every year? That's just dumb.
 
I'm genuinely torn between the idea of PG and Love. I think people (including me) have been underestimating Love's defense. I think Love on the Jazz may produce more regular season wins. He's both hugely productive and efficient. But the matchup with GS terrifies me (though we if we got PG, we might be running a lot of the PF time with Lyles -- yikes!).

But the thing nobody's been talking about is the luxury tax. If we managed Hill at $21M and Ingles at $12M (I'm not sure we can ask for much more discount than that), we'd be more than $5M over the tax threshold with 5 roster spots (including rookie salaries) left to fill. When I first advocated taking a shot at PG, it was with the idea that his presence would put you into the luxury tax and then out after one year, before repeater taxes set in. (This is based on managing to keep Hood, Neto and to drop Withey, Mack, Diaw, Burks, and Favors). Then Love's salary is $3M more than George's for an extra year.

So I think I'd prefer the PG flier, though given the finances, would fully understand why DL may not want to go there.
 
I personally think this is all a ploy to get PG to Cleveland. By saying this thing about leaving, it puts the pressure on Indy to trade him. It also makes him look like a stand up guy and not leave Indy in OKC land if he leaves in 2018.

Cleveland makes sense because they will do anything to win. They rented Mozgov, Love (who re-signed), Korver, etc. If PG went to Cleveland and left, nobody would think poorly of either side. If somebody else trades for PG and he leaves, it would be like - what the hell are you thinking?

I think PG wants to go to Cleveland for a 1 maybe 2 year title shot but just doesn't want to come out and say it. The Pacers reached out to Cleveland immediately yesterday for a reason.

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A few other questions I'm sure that DL is asking (beyond what either move might do with Hayward):

Does George Hill like playing with Paul George? Would PG make Hill more likely to re-sign? Any hope of a discount?

Does Kevin Love move the meter either way for Hill?

Is there any reason to think Gobert and the rest of the Jazz defense could better compensate for Love's defensive shortcomings than the Cavs were able to (esp. vs. Golden State)?

If George Hill is less likely to sign with the Jazz (because of financial reasons), is it worth the risk? Are Bledsoe or Rubio or even Teodosic realistic options?

Is Ingles up for a substantial discount (I think most of us assume he might do a small one under most circumstances) for adding a chance to win bigger? Or would we have to/want to jettison Ingles if we could get PG?
 
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Shad said:
Wait, people on here are willing to trade favors/hood/picks for a 1 year rental on PG? LOL
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A. We would be trading hood/favors/picks for Paul george AND Gordon hayward (getting pg convinces hayward to stay in this scenario)

B. You realize that there is a decent chance that favors and hood are one year rentals too right?
 
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