Zimmerman/Martin Case

[Gameface]

Yeah, if they want to represent sitting ducks they should do it without weapons.

I have a real problem with your equating their protecting their neighborhood with weapons with "provocation." It is reprehensible to be attacked while protection of their homes and family either way.

Not ever what I said.

I don't equate being armed with a provocation. I do however see the role of a neighborhood watch volunteer as one that BENEFITS from being unarmed. You disagree. I'm cool with that.

 

[PearlWatson]

Not ever what I said.

I don't equate being armed with a provocation. I do however see the role of a neighborhood watch volunteer as one that BENEFITS from being unarmed. You disagree. I'm cool with that.

The "benefits" of being unarmed is martyrdom. Hooray. What a brave dead guy!

 

[One Brow]

So, if Zimmerman was not armed and he wanted to harass all the young black men that walked through his neighborhood by following them around I think he would be within his rights to do so. He could claim he was just performing his neighborhood watch duties and that anything these young black men did out in public was out in public and he should be free to also move around out in public and keep an eye on them. If one of them runs because they don't like him following them around Zimmerman could also run to keep up. Nothing illegal about that.

Frankly, while it might vary from one jurisdiction to another, I'm sure that's not universally true. At the very least, it's highly threatening behavior, particularly when you are denying that you are following them at all.

 

[One Brow]

The "benefits" of being unarmed is martyrdom. Hooray. What a brave dead guy!

For example? Most neighborhood watch volunteers are unarmed. Whose been killed doing that?

 

[PearlWatson]

There have been burglaries around my area. I don't go following every random teenager I see, especially at 7 PM when I imagine most burglars do their work.

This was part of his phone call to 911:

He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something."

Apparently because he was walking around in the rain. Hey Zimmerman, **** you. Sometimes I enjoy just walking around in the rain. It's relaxing, and it clears the mind. Hell they made a song about it in the 60s for chrissakes, it's hardly some unusual activity. Should I be subjected to 911 calls from asshats like you because I'm out minding my own business and not breaking the law? I'm praying, just praying, that the 911 operator would tell you to go **** yourself and clear the line for people who are calling with real problems. The real tragedy would be if someone having a heart attack had to wait a second longer so this clown could spout his nonsense about people who are not committing crimes.

Again, I've changed my tune on this case in general in terms of his guilt, or the evidence they have, but all the mall cop jokes are appropriate to him. Martin as far as I know was out there minding his own business, and if Zimmerman would have just kept on driving to the store he wouldn't be in this mess and he wouldn't have killed someone.

I understand his perspective. I disagree with it and hate people like him. There's the difference.

"This guy looks like he is up to no good or is on drugs." What does that even mean? Since when is this rent a cop qualified to know any of that. So Martin was walking around in the rain stoned. Who cares, I did that all the time as a teenager. Doesn't mean I need an idiot cowboy to go calling the cops on me. And I don't get the connection of finding a place to light up and casing a property at all, unless possibly you are sneaking into someone's back porch area to do that. Which seems rather risky to me. When I went and found places to light up in, I tended to avoid residential areas altogether. At the very least I would find some trees to hid in. From the map it appears he was on a greenbelt area that separated the townhouses, and it appears there are plenty of far more worthy places to get high at, even if between the complexes. It seems like sneaking into someone's back porch area at 7 pm (not exactly a time people are asleep or away from their house) would be pointless when there are plenty of better areas within easy walking distance.

So yeah, I get that Zimmerman is this gung ho rent a cop who really thought he was protecting his community. Most jackasses who butt into other people's business believe they are doing it for some "greater for society" motive. Doesn't mean his perspective is correct or that he should have just minded his own business.

I get that you sympathize with every pothead out there but Zimmerman's neighborhood was his business.

Of course you don't follow "random" teenagers in your neighborhood. Either does Zimmerman. He followed a 6 foot something guy who looked like he was casing the place, like recent burglars of similar description.

Every dummy on the planet is "qualified" to spot someone up to no good. It ain't that hard.

But hey I hate people who try to protect their wives and neighbors too. They are the suckiest people on the whole damn planet.

 

[PearlWatson]

For example? Most neighborhood watch volunteers are unarmed. Whose been killed doing that?

That's nice that you have access to the neighborhood watch database of statistics (NWDS) but I don't have that luxury, so I'm at a 2 way disadvantage seeing as us gun lovers can't count up the # of times guns have prevented something from happening...you know because it didn't happen.

 

[One Brow]

Of course you don't follow "random" teenagers in your neighborhood. Either does Zimmerman. He followed a 6 foot something guy who looked like he was casing the place, like recent burglars of similar description.

You mean, young, black male? Wow, that's not at all insulting or racist. Zimmerman just went around following young black men.

That's nice that you have access to the neighborhood watch database of statistics (NWDS) but I don't have that luxury, so I'm at a 2 way disadvantage seeing as us gun lovers can't count up the # of times guns have prevented something from happening...you know because it didn't happen.

As has been mentioned, the majority of households in the US do not have guns, and the neighborhood watches are under recommendations to not intervene in crimes, so they don't have a particular need for guns.

Also, I didn't ask you to count up the number of times guns prevented crimes. I asked you who's been killed on neighborhood watch while not wearing a gun. Is it something more common than when you are out taking a walk? Murders do get reported, after all.

 

[PearlWatson]

You mean, young, black male? Wow, that's not at all insulting or racist. Zimmerman just went around following young black men.



As has been mentioned, the majority of households in the US do not have guns, and the neighborhood watches are under recommendations to not intervene in crimes, so they don't have a particular need for guns.

Also, I didn't ask you to count up the number of times guns prevented crimes. I asked you who's been killed on neighborhood watch while not wearing a gun. Is it something more common than when you are out taking a walk? Murders do get reported, after all.

Zimmerman had no control over the race of the recent burglars and it ain't racist of him to notice that they happened to be black.

I can't really trust your "majority of households" assertion seeing as gun owners ain't exactly going to offer up whether they have guns to government busybodies, unless they absolutely have to.

As I said I don't have access to the NWDS as you seem to. I'm sure any murder related to neighborhood watch is automatically flagged for that beautiful database.

 

[One Brow]

Zimmerman had no control over the race of the recent burglars and it ain't racist of him to notice that they happened to be black.

Agreed. The racism comes in when, after the burglars have been caught, assuming the other young black men are also burglars.

I can't really trust your "majority of households" assertion seeing as gun owners ain't exactly going to offer up whether they have guns to government busybodies, unless they absolutely have to.

In any state where licenses and permits are required, they have to.

As I said I don't have access to the NWDS as you seem to. I'm sure any murder related to neighborhood watch is automatically flagged for that beautiful database.

Sure you do. Most of these government statistics are available on the internet.

 

[Nate505]

I get that you sympathize with every pothead out there but Zimmerman's neighborhood was his business.

Of course you don't follow "random" teenagers in your neighborhood. Either does Zimmerman. He followed a 6 foot something guy who looked like he was casing the place, like recent burglars of similar description.

Every dummy on the planet is "qualified" to spot someone up to no good. It ain't that hard.

But hey I hate people who try to protect their wives and neighbors too. They are the suckiest people on the whole damn planet.

No it wasn't. Was the kid robbing any place? No, he was just walking around, and it sounds like he was talking on his phone. And apparently it is hard to spot someone who is up to no good. In this case Zimmerman failed.

Your last sentence is the typical sort of stupidity I've come to expect from you. At least you are consistent.

 

[PearlWatson]

Agreed. The racism comes in when, after the burglars have been caught, assuming the other young black men are also burglars.

In any state where licenses and permits are required, they have to.

Sure you do. Most of these government statistics are available on the internet.

From what I read the neighbor's burglars hadn't been caught which is why Zimmerman was looking out for them. And no Zimmerman doesn't think all black dudes are burglars, just the ones acting suspiciously.

That's a nice yet pointless addition about states that require permits, since it doesn't contradict my point, or support your assertion that the "majority of household" don't have guns.

If an internet list of neighborhood watch related murders exists use your speedy *** fingers and share it with me. Thanks in advance.

 

[PearlWatson]

No it wasn't. Was the kid robbing any place? No, he was just walking around, and it sounds like he was talking on his phone. And apparently it is hard to spot someone who is up to no good. In this case Zimmerman failed.

Your last sentence is the typical sort of stupidity I've come to expect from you. At least you are consistent.

Yes, he was just walking around minding his own stoned *** business in his dad's neighborhood on a rainy evening after being suspended from highschool. Of course he's just another typical skittle buying angel, while the "rent a cop" trying to protect his neighborhood deserves to be hated.

You might be able to figure out which viewpoint I find stupid. I'll give you two guesses.