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Zimmerman/Martin Jury

babe said:
you won't make a buck calling it swamp land.

race was not an issue except to social engineers/progressive agenda pushers. For the kids on the street it was "turf" maybe, but not race. Zimmers would have called the cops and followed the figure in the dark whether the figure was black or white, and a white version of the troubled teen wanderer might have decided to go back and teach him some manners too.

The telling thing is that had it been a white kid, the race-baiters wouldn't have given a crap about him.

oh, I don't dispute the figures given above about disproportionate punishments for blacks in the legal process, or for po'whites, compared to those who "fit in" with the general staff of our police and judicial system. One of the reasons is the troubled white kids are more likely to have parents who will show up and give the judges and cops some support for believing the kid has someone who will be working with him to address his issues. It should not be made out to be cut-and-dried racism, but people in the system trying to respond constructively if there is any reason to hope things can get better.
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A false narrative presented by the media about race is why this case was even prosecuted. So race played a huge factor in this whole case even being tried.
 
When my wife first read me the verdict, she read it wrong and said that Zimmerman was convicted on 2nd degree murder. I felt sick about that, as I do not think what happened rises to that level. I actually felt relief when she said 'whoops, I mean acquitted.' While I do think based only on what I know that Zimmerman's actions were the primary cause of the tragedy that night, and I think a manslaughter conviction might have been justified, 2nd degree murder was a huge overreach and, though I think Zimmerman should be held responsible in some way for what happened, I prefer a non-guilty verdict to 2nd degree murder conviction.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is correct. In fact most claims for SSI get denied if they do not have objective medical evidence of a physically debilitating condition, like a chronic disease or loss of limb or something similar. Then it goes through an appeal process in which they hold a hearing with a judge to hear the appeal. Many of these appeals are people claiming mental anguish/illness or undistinguished medical conditions, like "my back hurts when I stand more than 10 minutes". There is also testimony presented from a vocational expert who reviews the case and presents possible employment options given the individual's condition and restrictions, as well as current labor stats regarding those professions. A relatively high number of them get approved, but there are still lots of hoops to jump through.



[source: my wife is a VHR (verbatim hearing recorder) for the ODAR office of the SSA, in which she makes a transcript and recording of these types of hearings as they happen. some of the stories she can relate are mind-boggling.]
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My sister works in a law office that specializes in ssi claims. Sure you will be denied before you lawyer up, not after.

I personally know someone who is on ssi because he can no longer work in his field due to ruining his reputation with a cocaine addiction. Originally denied. He got a lawyer and is currently retired on disability insurance. As for assets they were transfered into his childrens names.
 
heyhey said:
My sister works in a law office that specializes in ssi claims. Sure you will be denied before you lawyer up, not after.

I personally know someone who is on ssi because he can no longer work in his field due to ruining his reputation with a cocaine addiction. Originally denied. He got a lawyer and is currently retired on disability insurance. As for assets they were transfered into his childrens names.
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People who have attorneys get denied all the time. Also Disability Insurance is not SSI. Apples and oranges. If he transferred his assets then that suggests fraud as it is specifically asked if they have done so. Big no no. Also that suggests SSI and not DIB (disability insurance) as DIB does not care about resources at all.

Sounds like you hear one comment and twist it into something it is not.
 
heyhey said:
My sister works in a law office that specializes in ssi claims. Sure you will be denied before you lawyer up, not after.

I personally know someone who is on ssi because he can no longer work in his field due to ruining his reputation with a cocaine addiction. Originally denied. He got a lawyer and is currently retired on disability insurance. As for assets they were transfered into his childrens names.
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Stoked said:
People who have attorneys get denied all the time. Also Disability Insurance is not SSI. Apples and oranges. If he transferred his assets then that suggests fraud as it is specifically asked if they have done so. Big no no. Also that suggests SSI and not DIB (disability insurance) as DIB does not care about resources at all.

Sounds like you hear one comment and twist it into something it is not.
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Stoked is right, about people with lawyers getting denied and the fraud stuff. Can't move assets to protect them in this kind of claim or in bankruptcy.

And some of the stories my wife tells about lawyers in these hearings are freaking hilarious. What douches. They often get into arguments with the judge, or the VE, and drag things out and are generally just ********. She said some have been calm and just fine but others act like they are on stage or something as if the tough guy lawyer act is supposed to intimidate the judge.
 
fallenchicken said:
One thing that's certain ********: Zimmerman's lawyer saying that if Zimmerman was black he wouldn't have been charged.

BS. If Zimmerman was black he'd be in jail for thirty years and the right wing wouldn't be defending him.

Other than that, I'm just glad this trial is over so we can get to the real news...

nah that won't happen. The media will find a new trial to cover instead.
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You are probably right about the right and Zimmerman being black. But if Zimmerman was also black the left wouldn't give a rat's *** that Martin died. They wouldn't know their names anymore than the right would.

Damn pathetic all around. This race **** is disgusting.
 
This is just another example of Zimmerman's overzealous, wanna-be cop, busy-body vigilantism. He should have informed the police and stayed in his vehicle. I don't need some untrained civilian performing vehicle extractions.
 
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