Zimmerman/Martin Jury

[trigg3r]

Watch the tape of the "George Zimmerman Reenactment" where he talks to investigators the day after. Then play the call he made to police.
Please tell me if you think they add up.

The lead investigator thinks they add up. That's really helpful to the defense. Let's all face it. We were sold a story by the media that really doesn't adhere to the facts so far. Martin was not some innocent little teenager that was hunted down by Zimmerman because Zimmerman had some sick obsession to shoot someone. If the tables had been turned in this case, then we would have never heard about it.

 

[Revolution 9]

The lead investigator thinks they add up. That's really helpful to the defense. Let's all face it. We were sold a story by the media that really doesn't adhere to the facts so far. Martin was not some innocent little teenager that was hunted down by Zimmerman because Zimmerman had some sick obsession to shoot someone. If the tables had been turned in this case, then we would have never heard about it.

The media completely blew this case. No arguments there. i'm just curious what you see.
Have you seen the reenactment video with martin? put that together with the police call.
tell me if they match up.

 

[Revolution 9]

You are inferring way too much with these statements. Read the court transcript of the 911 dispatcher. If Zimmerman is telling the truth(which could be a big if), then Martin was the one who eventually confronted him after Zimmerman lost sight of him and was heading back to his vehicle. The prosecution has done a very bad job so far IMO. This is a case that shouldn't have ever been brought to trial. That's not to say Zimmerman is innocent. It just doesn't look like they have enough evidence to convict unless the jury decides to take this into their own hands and disregards the evidence presented so far.

I agree. The prosecution is getting killed. This is going very well for Zimmerman. His team is great.
The star witness is dumb as rocks. It was unbelievable watching her butcher the stand, and the defense tear her to shreads.
She either was not coached very well, or uncoachable. They ate her alive.

At one point Zimmerman stated that someone came out of their house, and said they were going to call the police.
Has that person taken the stand? They could confirm that it was a one sided fight.

 

[trigg3r]

The media completely blew this case. No arguments there. i'm just curious what you see.
Have you seen the reenactment video with martin? put that together with the police call.
tell me if they match up.

I have. I have watched the video and listened to the tape. What huge discrepancy is there? The dispatcher was recently put on the stand and told the jury that he is not authorized to give orders for liability reasons. So I chalk that up as bad judgement on the part of Zimmerman. That being said, Zimmerman could be guilty. I don't know either way. That's the problem. None of us really know. I don't see how you can convict a guy with what has come out from the witnesses(Martin being on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman calling for help as one witness said). So far there's been nothing I have heard or seen that makes me think this case should have been prosecuted. Public outcry due to the media is really what forced them to prosecute this case.

 

[Revolution 9]

I have. I have watched the video and listened to the tape. What huge discrepancy is there? The dispatcher was recently put on the stand and told the jury that he is not authorized to give orders for liability reasons. So I chalk that up as bad judgement on the part of Zimmerman. That being said, Zimmerman could be guilty. I don't know either way. That's the problem. None of us really know. I don't see how you can convict a guy with what has come out from the witnesses(Martin being on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman calling for help as one witness said). So far there's been nothing I have heard or seen that makes me think this case should have been prosecuted. Public outcry due to the media is really what forced them to prosecute this case.

Most alarming is where he says he was when the dispatcher says we don't need you to follow him.
They say it very soon after he opens his car door, and starts going after him. In the video he is pretty far away from his car.
Big difference. He was right by his car, had he goes back this night doesn't go down like it did.
In the video he is far away, and its dark, they tell him stop following. That's just not what happened in the call.
It's 10 seconds after his door closes that the officer is telling him he doesn't need to follow. There is no way he is where he is
in the reenactment video.

He then states that he was "in the area" that was the reason why he was following him? Really George?
Listening to the police tape it seemed like it was because he was "runnin"

"I told non emergency he was gone, I lost him" not on the call

"well If hes not there do you still want a police officer" not on the call
they already told him officers were on the way, that was never in question.

It just doesn't match up with the call.

Where is the person that Zimmerman said opened the door.

"somebody here opened the door....and I said help me help me, and they said ill call 911"
Where is that witness.

 

[Revolution 9]

[video=youtube_share;dEpCnpnHODI]https://youtu.be/dEpCnpnHODI

Tell me where I'm missing this. Where in the police call does this go down?
Watch starting at 4:57

"can you get to somewhere where you can see him" All that. Where on the tape is that?

 

[Gameface]

The fact is that Zimmerman kept following him after the police told him not to. There is a reason they recommend things, because
what happened can happen. To act like this is all on Martin is crazy in my mind. Obviously Zimmerman had intent to catch someone at all costs, because
he stated his frustration in the call, and went after him when he ran. Why is he doing the job of the police?
"They always get away". He wasn't going to let another one get away, and when Martin ran on the call, you hear Zimmerman open his car,
and go after him. He is told immediately to stop. The police as on their way. He continues. He wasn't going to let this kid get away.

I don't know if you're late to this discussion but Zimmerman was talking to a 9-11 dispatcher, not a police officer. They said "We don't need you to do that." when he said he was following him to see what street he was on. In response Zimmerman said "OK" and was being cooperative with the dispatcher.

He was never ordered to stop following. No one had the authority to tell him to stop anyway. Certainly not the dispatcher and neither would a police officer. Civilians aren't required to follow the orders of a police officer unless they're being detained or arrested. Zimmerman's actions were completely legal. Before the trial I thought they were unreasonable. Now I think his actions were completely reasonable. That change of opinion came from reading testimony from the trial and watching a limited amount of coverage on CNN.

People want this story to go one way but the fact is the story isn't going that way. This case will likely be thrown out as soon as the prosecution rests. They have fallen flat on their face and should never have charged him. This is a political case, not a criminal one. People's opinions are not tied to the facts they are tied to their emotional reaction to hearing about a young black man being gunned down and the sensationalism that has spewed ever since.

 

[Revolution 9]

I don't know if you're late to this discussion but Zimmerman was talking to a 9-11 dispatcher, not a police officer. They said "We don't need you to do that." when he said he was following him to see what street he was on. In response Zimmerman said "OK" and was being cooperative with the dispatcher.

He was never ordered to stop following. No one had the authority to tell him to stop anyway. Certainly not the dispatcher and neither would a police officer. Civilians aren't required to follow the orders of a police officer unless they're being detained or arrested. Zimmerman's actions were completely legal. Before the trial I thought they were unreasonable. Now I think his actions were completely reasonable. That change of opinion came from reading testimony from the trial and watching a limited amount of coverage on CNN.

People want this story to go one way but the fact is the story isn't going that way. This case will likely be thrown out as soon as the prosecution rests. They have fallen flat on their face and should never have charged him. This is a political case, not a criminal one. People's opinions are not tied to the facts they are tied to their emotional reaction to hearing about a young black man being gunned down and the sensationalism that has spewed ever since.

Late to the discussion? WTF?

Actually it wasn't 911 Gameface it was a non-emergency number.

 

[Gameface]

Late to the discussion? WTF?

Actually it wasn't 911 Gameface it was a non-emergency number.

Thanks, he was talking to a dispatcher, probably someone who answers 9-11 calls, but awesome distinction.

I said that because I've addressed the "ordered to stop following" before. It's a falsehood the anti-Zimmerman folks keep repeating and it's being believed. I responded to your post before I read the rest of the posts.

I'm watching the video you linked right now. I haven't seen it before.

 

[Gameface]

Zimmerman is either a world-class liar or he's telling the truth. He's being very open with the police. Not the slightest bit defensive or evasive.

Every new thing I learn makes me believe Zimmerman more and more.

 

[Revolution 9]

Thanks, he was talking to a dispatcher, probably someone who answers 9-11 calls, but awesome distinction.

I said that because I've addressed the "ordered to stop following" before. It's a falsehood the anti-Zimmerman folks keep repeating and it's being believed. I responded to your post before I read the rest of the posts.

I'm watching the video you linked right now. I haven't seen it before.

I don't need to be lectured on the rules. I already know everything you just said. If you read what I actually posted,
"There is a reason they recommend things". They didn't order him. They can't do that.

You missed the point completely. Not that he broke the rules, but that he went against recommendation.
There is a reason they asked him to stop, because when armed citizens take the law into their own hands things like this happen.
You think he was in his right to do what he did that's fine. I respect your opinion, but I'm bringing up some valid points and opinions as well.
We don't know what happened. His story is off in the video above. I know you'll just deny everything, and make excuses a bunch of times.
Maybe type investigator a few more times. This case has been ****ed up, and there are lots of idiots wanting Zimmerman to be found guilty for the wrong reasons.
With your comments clearly you are getting caught up in this case with emotion, and have made up your mind. This is a fluid case, and there
are still questions to be answered for me.

 

[Gameface]

I don't need to be lectured on the rules. I already know everything you just said. If you read what I actually posted,
"There is a reason they recommend things". They didn't order him. They can't do that.

You missed the point completely. Not that he broke the rules, but that he went against recommendation.
There is a reason they asked him to stop, because when armed citizens take the law into their own hands things like this happen.
You think he was in his right to do what he did that's fine. I respect your opinion, but I'm bringing up some valid points and opinions as well.
We don't know what happened. His story is off in the video above. I know you'll just deny everything, and make excuses a bunch of times.
Maybe type investigator a few more times. This case has been ****ed up, and there are lots of idiots wanting Zimmerman to be found guilty for the wrong reasons.
With your comments clearly you are getting caught up in this case with emotion, and have made up your mind. This is a fluid case, and there
are still questions to be answered for me.

Dude, Zimmerman's not my brother or my friend. If he died tomorrow I wouldn't care. If he was found guilty I wouldn't care (other than it would be the wrong decision). I'm not invested in this case and I'm done talking to you about it since I've already covered all this ground at least twice now with other people and you seem to think I'm being unreasonable.

Your points are valid. Go back and look at the things I've said in the past about this case. I've agreed with most of what you're saying. My opinion has changed based on the facts I've seen. Suck it.