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The Official Swing for the Fences and throw a max offer at Kawhi Leonard thread

If the Jazz are going to go for broke, the guy to max out is Jimmy Butler, not Leonard. End of discussion. Both will be matched. The only thing I can think of is offering a S&T for our lottery pick and even then the Bulls say no.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Do you watch games outside of who the Jazz play?? Do you watch other teams aside from when they're playing the Jazz??? Wes Mathews is a better player that Matthews?? Really?? Is there a typo??
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Forever Jazz said:
If the Jazz are going to go for broke, the guy to max out is Jimmy Butler, not Leonard. End of discussion. Both will be matched. The only thing I can think of is offering a S&T for our lottery pick and even then the Bulls say no.
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If the Jazz could get either Butler or Leonard on a RFA Max contract, the Jazz should be willing to give a LOT more than just one top 10 pick in a lousy draft. That's the only way anybody blinks - make an offer that's better than any others. Even then, they still probably tell you to screw off.
 
If Duncan retires do the Spurs really build around Kawhi or cash out and tank? Their success is due to the way they draft and a healthy serving of luck. I don't think Kawhi is enough without good draft picks to build around.

Sell Kawhi and the rest of the gang for picks. Take on bad contracts picks. Tank

It seems like they could end up with a plethora of options by cashing out. or put all their eggs in the Kawhi basket.
 
♪alt13 said:
If Duncan retires do the Spurs really build around Kawhi or cash out and tank? Their success is due to the way they draft and a healthy serving of luck. I don't think Kawhi is enough without good draft picks to build around.

Sell Kawhi and the rest of the gang for picks. Take on bad contracts picks. Tank

It seems like they could end up with a plethora of options by cashing out. or put all their eggs in the Kawhi basket.
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Rumor is they're going hard after M. Gasol. That's why they didn't already extend Kawhi. They need the extra space they'll get by just having his cap hold on their books instead of a max deal. We aren't getting Kawhi. Sorry.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Rumor is they're going hard after M. Gasol. That's why they didn't already extend Kawhi. They need the extra space they'll get by just having his cap hold on their books instead of a max deal. We aren't getting Kawhi. Sorry.
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Assuming they get him. There is going to be a lot of teams going after him.
 
Either way Leonard gets maxed out and stays. He. Is. Staying.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Either way Leonard gets maxed out and stays. He. Is. Staying.
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Only way I could see something happening is if Gasol took his time deciding and a team offers Kawhi the max on day #1. Then Leonard would have to fear the Spurs were not going to give him the same. He's already said he trusts the Spurs to get a deal done, though. It would be kind of like Parsons. He decided not to wait because he had heard some rumors they were reconsidering their original "promise" to him. Houston couldn't sign Parsons if they wanted to still hold out for Bosh. Slightly different because it was an offer sheet with a deadline. Doesn't hurt to make a phone call on July 1st. Tell Kawhi he's option #1 and has 1 hour to consider before the Jazz make an offer to option #2. Do the same with Matthews and work down the list.

Remember how Phoenix got Bell? They told him he had to say yes or no while he was still on the phone. Of course they made an offer no other team was likely to make. So an easy decision for Raja.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Only way I could see something happening is if Gasol took his time deciding and a team offers Kawhi the max on day #1. Then Leonard would have to fear the Spurs were not going to give him the same. He's already said he trusts the Spurs to get a deal done, though. It would be kind of like Parsons. He decided not to wait because he had heard some rumors they were reconsidering their original "promise" to him. Houston couldn't sign Parsons if they wanted to still hold out for Bosh. Slightly different because it was an offer sheet with a deadline. Doesn't hurt to make a phone call on July 1st. Tell Kawhi he's option #1 and has 1 hour to consider before the Jazz make an offer to option #2. Do the same with Matthews and work down the list.

Remember how Phoenix got Bell? They told him he had to say yes or no while he was still on the phone. Of course they made an offer no other team was likely to make. So an easy decision for Raja.
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I like the strategy, but I think teams would line up to offer him the max unlike Parsons. I'd see if his agent would take our call.

I'm not sure I want to pay Matthews 15 per, but I think that is what it might take. Maybe he'd be intrigued with a little more offensive opportunity as well. I might do a declining deal for him.. 15, 14ish, 13ish, 12ish. But yeah he doesn't get to take it back to Porty just so they can match (I know he is not restricted, but don't want him just to waste our time and use our offer against theirs).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like the strategy, but I think teams would line up to offer him the max unlike Parsons. I'd see if his agent would take our call.

I'm not sure I want to pay Matthews 15 per, but I think that is what it might take. Maybe he'd be intrigued with a little more offensive opportunity as well. I might do a declining deal for him.. 15, 14ish, 13ish, 12ish. But yeah he doesn't get to take it back to Porty just so they can match (I know he is not restricted, but don't want him just to waste our time and use our offer against theirs).
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Don't care if he does. If they match, they can't do much else going forward other than trying to keep their team together. They'll have to also pay Lopez big dollars and then most certainly have to offer Lillard a max deal in 2 years. They also have Afflalo on the books for next season. Likely would need to look for trades. Anything we could do to make Allen squirm would be justified payback.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like the strategy, but I think teams would line up to offer him the max unlike Parsons. I'd see if his agent would take our call.

I'm not sure I want to pay Matthews 15 per, but I think that is what it might take. Maybe he'd be intrigued with a little more offensive opportunity as well. I might do a declining deal for him.. 15, 14ish, 13ish, 12ish. But yeah he doesn't get to take it back to Porty just so they can match (I know he is not restricted, but don't want him just to waste our time and use our offer against theirs).
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I think 10 per can get you Matthews. 12 over 3 years and he loves you.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I'd be shocked if Gasol didn't stay in Memphis.
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Yep. Why take less money to play for a less talented team? The Spurs or Trailblazers are the only two teams that I could see really making a push for him, but he'd still be leaving at least $20+ million on the table to do so. 'Melo wouldn't even leave the dumpster-fire of the Knicks to do that. . . why would Gasol leave a legitimate contender?
 
NAOS said:
what's your evidence, bruce?
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I think he is crazy. But I sure hope he is right.
Of course otoh if he is willing to take that small of a salary then every team in the league will be trying to get him so our chances of getting him would decrease anyway
 
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