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[Kyoto]

Would it be though? How high is his ceiling? A decent backup? It's not like we'll be missing out on an all star. It's worth remembering that even though he is satisfied right now, it is highly doubtful he'll be happy with a true backup role (15-18 mpg). Since this is what's going to happen as Exum develops a bit, I don't really care what happens to Burke. That said, he is on a pretty cheap rookie contract, and he doesn't have much of a trade value. Might as well keep him for the next two years. His value can only go up.

I agree with this unless we get Neto to come here, then we would have a potential backup sitting on the bench with a chucker playing ahead of him. Honestly Trey on the bench with no other scorer is the best we can do, but when Alec comes back and Hood goes to the bench we need a guy to pass the ball. So, right now Trey on the bench is... sigh.. okay at best but next year is when its going to be a bad time.

 

[orangello]

Don't let this thread die!

 

[Getting Traded]

You won't have to, Orangello ... only Trey shooting 50 percent or close to that, playing a little defense, and passing the ball once in a while will stop it. What do you think the odds of that happening are?

 

[Revolution 9]

Well, he does have confidence and aggression that Dante does not have now. You maybe cannot teach those but a guy can acquire them. On the flip side, Dante has things that Trey does not, that you cannot teach nor acquire. Like speed, height, vision, athleticism. Trey is just too short and slow to be an impact player, unless he is an absolutely stellar shooter/passer. Dante is way behind him right now on offense, vastly better on D already.

Fair enough. I love some things Exum brings us. Speed, defense, 3 pt shooting. I guess my point is neither has proven they are THE guy of the future. Exum needs that aggression, and confidence to get there.

Trey needs consistency, he cant look great some nights and then blow *** the next game. If neither brings those things neither will be our starting 1 of the future. But i see promising signs in both of them to be that guy.

 

[gregbroncs]

It's not even his poor shooting that really bothers me about Trey. It's that he is a ball stopper and the offense becomes stagnant when he's in, Add pathetic effort and skill on defense and he's become my least favorite player on this team....By far.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trey Burke has taken 179 shots in the final 6 seconds of the shot clock, 2nd most in the NBA.

Hayward is 8th with 151.

That is the biggest reason Trey's FG% sucks. You can blame it on him stopping the ball, but it's not all his fault. Our offense just isn't that good and when you have as many wings who won't shoot (Sap and Ingles) it can make things hard on the PG.

 

[Siro]

Trey Burke has taken 179 shots in the final 6 seconds of the shot clock, 2nd most in the NBA.

Hayward is 8th with 151.

That is the biggest reason Trey's FG% sucks. You can blame it on him stopping the ball, but it's not all his fault. Our offense just isn't that good and when you have as many wings who won't shoot (Sap and Ingles) it can make things hard on the PG.

I feel like you already know that this isn't true. Here are his shot clock usage stats:


Secs.
Att.
eFG%
Ast'd
Blk'd
Pts
0-10
34% .454 48% 4% 4.0
11-15
22% .420 36% 6% 2.4
16-20
25% .491 52% 1% 3.2
21+
18% .377 44% 2% 1.8
Crunch
43% .444 49% 2% 4.9

So his highest percentage shots are with 8 seconds remaining. Most shots are taken in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock, and he hits around his season average on those. He does take 18% of his shots with only 3 seconds left, and he doesn't hit many of them. With those shots taken into account, his FG% goes from 36.7 to about 37.8. So no that's not the reason for his **** shooting, Why you keep repeating the same misinformation is beyond me.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I feel like you already know that this isn't true. Here are his shot clock usage stats:


Secs.
Att.
eFG%
Ast'd
Blk'd
Pts
0-10
34% .454 48% 4% 4.0
11-15
22% .420 36% 6% 2.4
16-20
25% .491 52% 1% 3.2
21+
18% .377 44% 2% 1.8
Crunch
43% .444 49% 2% 4.9

So his highest percentage shots are with 8 seconds remaining. Most shots are taken in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock, and he hits around his season average on those. He does take 18% of his shots with only 3 seconds left, and he doesn't hit many of them. With those shots taken into account, his FG% goes from 36.7 to about 37.8. So no that's not the reason for his **** shooting, Why you keep repeating the same misinformation is beyond me.

How is that misinformation?

The information is correct. Maybe the way I interpret it is wrong, but that is subjective.

 

[Siro]

How is that misinformation?

The information is correct. Maybe the way I interpret it is wrong, but that is subjective.

It is misinformation to say that it is the reason for his low percentage, when shots taken with 8 seconds or less are his HIGHEST percent shots. There is no interpretation, numbers are numbers. He doesn't shoot well regardless of remaining time on the shot clock, and normalizing his final 3 second shots to be on par with the rest of the league's PGs barely moves his percentage. This is ignoring the fact that he is the main reason for these late shots, or that defenses have zero respect for his shot, and allow him to take as many open 3s as he wants.

There is no excuse for his suckage. He just sucks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It is misinformation to say that it is the reason for his low percentage, when shots taken with 8 seconds or less are his HIGHEST percent shots. There is no interpretation, numbers are numbers. He doesn't shoot well regardless of remaining time on the shot clock, and normalizing his final 3 second shots to be on par with the rest of the league's PGs barely moves his percentage. This is ignoring the fact that he is the main reason for these late shots, or that defenses have zero respect for his shot, and allow him to take as many open 3s as he wants.

There is no excuse for his suckage. He just sucks.

Umm, I was talking about 6 seconds left.... It is subjective. You can't just normalize and have everything else be constant.

He is taking a ton of shots under time pressure, which makes it harder to get in rhythm and be consistent when he is constantly in a position when he has to put up bad shots.

Also disagree that teams don't respect his 3pt shot. I think they live with him taking mid-range shots, because allowing mid-range shots is the analytical fad and teams (especially the Rockets, like we saw last game) want players to take mid-range shots.

 

[da ThRONe]

I feel like you already know that this isn't true. Here are his shot clock usage stats:Secs.
Att.
eFG%
Ast'd
Blk'd
Pts
0-10
34% .454 48% 4% 4.0
11-15
22% .420 36% 6% 2.4
16-20
25% .491 52% 1% 3.2
21+
18% .377 44% 2% 1.8
Crunch
43% .444 49% 2% 4.9

So his highest percentage shots are with 8 seconds remaining. Most shots are taken in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock, and he hits around his season average on those. He does take 18% of his shots with only 3 seconds left, and he doesn't hit many of them. With those shots taken into account, his FG% goes from 36.7 to about 37.8. So no that's not the reason for his **** shooting, Why you keep repeating the same misinformation is beyond me.

Which part isn't true? Nothing you added dispute anything he put in his post. He talks about shooting in 6 secs and you talk about 8 secs and 3 secs.

Based on your stats if I'm reading it correctly. When Trey shoots between 16-20 secs is when he's most effieicent which if anything supports the theory that he's better shooting when he has more time which usually means more options.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Which part isn't true? Nothing you added dispute anything he put in his post. He talks about shooting in 6 secs and you talk about 8 secs and 3 secs.

Based on your stats if I'm reading it correctly. When Trey shoots between 16-20 secs is when he's most effieicent which if anything supports the theory that he's better shooting when he has more time which usually means more options.

Yup, and my point is if the offense flows better and the shots are more consistent, he would be better prepared mentally to take and make good shots. Not saying he is without blame for the root of the problem, but he isn't fully to blame.