Is Quin a genius or bat **** crazy?

[franklin]

Consider this the Quin Playbook thread prequel.

I can't figure out wtf this guy is doing and it's driving me bonkers. He has a ton of standard plays in line, especially a bunch of San Antonio's sets (old playbook league standards really, but still). Then he goes on and modifies the hell out of everything with so damn many options off the initial play that it's hard to keep things straight. Popp runs most his stuff through a ton of options with variations based on what the defense gives. As far as I can tell, Quin runs the options right off the first initial action with most reverting back to high pick and roll. Surprise surprise, as advertised. He rarely runs the strong motion through the double pin down, horns is a complete mystery, and floppy loop seems to have gone the way of the dodo. Good for that, unless you have Parker running it...

If I can figure out how to convert stats.nba into youtube maybe I'll add a bunch of videos later on. For now I'm confused and don't know where to start. How do the players keep this stuff straight?


One thing I can tell for sure is Kanter severely handicapped the Jazz in comparison to the stretch fives Popp has added. Kanter was wide open and clapping for the ball at the three line all the damn time like he does anywhere on the floor on a ton of plays. If the Jazz can add a 4 or 5 that can shoot the three or make plays like Diaw or Red Rocket then this system should really pick up some offensive steam.

 

[couscous]

yes it's completely kanter's fault again.

we are such well-oiled offensive machine now that kanter is no longer here, and okc must be having some horrific offense having kanter screwing things up for them.

 

[mhindy]

yes it's completely kanter's fault again.

we are such well-oiled offensive machine now that kanter is no longer here, and okc must be having some horrific offense having kanter screwing things up for them.

Did you even read the post?

 

[VINYLONE]

Honestly, I don't know what he is or care for that matter. I like what I see and it's changed me in the way I watch the game. Currently, when I watch a Jazz game, whether the team is on the road or at home, no matter what the score, I feel like we are going to win the game. The last time I felt this way watching games was during the 1997 and 1998 seasons. I don't know what it is but I watch the games thinking they'll pull the win out. Needless to say, this season has been wholly enjoyable. Go figure.

 

[LogGrad98]

yes it's completely kanter's fault again.

we are such well-oiled offensive machine now that kanter is no longer here, and okc must be having some horrific offense having kanter screwing things up for them.

I mean seriously that is all you got out of the post? Are you a troll or actually a real boy?

Did you even read the post?

This.

 

[LogGrad98]

1) Everyone uses what they know. Everywhere Jackson went he used the triangle. He never went to a hard pnr set to match the players he had, he taught them the triangle. Do you see Sloan going elsewhere and not using strong pnr sets? Even in the transition years without an all-nba level PG he used pnr sets in addition to the motion offense. Think of the other established coaches. You know exactly what to expect from Karl, or Brown, or Adelman, or D'Antoni, etc. Seldom do they make huge changes in coaching with a new team or new players.

2)Quin is a new coach, a babe in swaddling clothes as it were, at this level at least. He really hasn't coached enough to know what he wants his go-to system to be. He is still learning exactly what he wants to do with the knowledge he has. He is trying to see what the players he has are capable of and how he can fit that to his knowledge, or how he can teach them what he wants them to do. I am not in the least surprised there is some confusion going on in this regard. If it is still a hot mess of mixed up plays without at least an emerging identity by the end of next season then I think we will have a problem. Right now it isn't that strange, imo.

 

[The Midnight]

One thing I can tell for sure is Kanter severely handicapped the Jazz in comparison to the stretch fives Popp has added. Kanter was wide open and clapping for the ball at the three line all the damn time like he does anywhere on the floor on a ton of plays. If the Jazz can add a 4 or 5 that can shoot the three or make plays like Diaw or Red Rocket then this system should really pick up some offensive steam.

 

[homeytennis]

Kanter had a 25 16 and 4 night last night.. OMG 4 assists.

 

[Stoked]

I think he is a bat **** crazy genius and just a shooter or two short. All he has right now is Hayward and a finally returning Hood, when he is not tossing his lunch, for shooters. Grab another starting shooter and replace Burke with someone that can at least hit 42% of his shots and things improve dramatically.

 

[franklin]

2)Quin is a new coach, a babe in swaddling clothes as it were, at this level at least. He really hasn't coached enough to know what he wants his go-to system to be. He is still learning exactly what he wants to do with the knowledge he has. He is trying to see what the players he has are capable of and how he can fit that to his knowledge, or how he can teach them what he wants them to do. I am not in the least surprised there is some confusion going on in this regard. If it is still a hot mess of mixed up plays without at least an emerging identity by the end of next season then I think we will have a problem. Right now it isn't that strange, imo.

I agree for the most part. My purpose is to figure out what he's doing and document it rather than critique any part of it.

I don't think it's a hot mess. It's more that he runs various plays out of the same beginning sets as opposed to running through a progression with options like Sloan Jackson and Pop. Instead he seems to run multiple separates progressions off the same initial sets. No doubt a lot of this has to do with personnel. A lot of things changed when Burks' slashing abilities went away, and a lot is changing again with Hood coming on strong.


The one thing I don't like is there aren't a lot of double screens or easy backdoor buckets.

 

[JazzyFresh]

coke addict

 

[mellow]

The one thing I don't like is there aren't a lot of double screens or easy backdoor buckets.

I agree. I don't understand all the offensive sets like you, but I do see the lack of easy buckets in the half court and in transition. I wonder if it has a lot to do with the passing ability of the current players. They make lots of easy, safe passes on the perimeter, but seem reluctant to make quick aggressive passes. Or perhaps they are being coached to only make safe passes.

It will be fun to see how Quin changes things after the jazz add Alec Burks and one or two more significant players this offseason.