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Next shooting, next acquittal....

I don't think anyone thinks that adrenaline is an excuse for murder. It's undeniably and contributing factor in a lot of situations though.

They murdered a innocent hostage and her unborn baby. You think coppers shouldnt control there adrenaline, especially when the source is obvious muffler backfire? I've never shot a gun but ive seen enough movies to tell the difference between backfire and gunshots. Whats next kids getting capped for lighting off fireworks?
 
Disarm the people expect for hunting. Problem solved. We have police and military we dont need militant peoples. This isnt the Wild West where we need posse's to hunt down rapists and blame it on some poor black kid.

We dont need guns. Take them away and you take away legalized police murder.
Not going to happen.
 
Disarm the people expect for hunting. Problem solved. We have police and military we dont need militant peoples. This isnt the Wild West where we need posse's to hunt down rapists and blame it on some poor black kid.

We dont need guns. Take them away and you take away legalized police murder.

Try to take them away and you have one thing, civil war.
 
They murdered a innocent hostage and her unborn baby. You think coppers shouldnt control there adrenaline, especially when the source is obvious muffler backfire? I've never shot a gun but ive seen enough movies to tell the difference between backfire and gunshots. Whats next kids getting capped for lighting off fireworks?
You've never shot a gun? You're basing your entire logic on movies? Good hell, I hope you're joking, because if not, you're a flaming imbecile.
 
Try to take them away and you have one thing, civil war.

Negotiate with terrorists? Good idea.

We know how to fight civil wars. My father fought with your Green Berrets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dont tell me we cant handle a little civil unrest. How absurd.
 
Using the UK police force with no guns as a model when applying to American cop homicides is faulty at its core. One major reason is the number and availability of guns to the general public. This number is dramatically higher than in the UK.

One would have to address the # and availability of guns in the general US populace before they even consider disarming the police in America.

Now as far as this particular case, I tend to agree that this homicide (wasn't ruled a murder, right?) looks very suspect. I very much wish to know what the grand jury saw that made them decide to acquite this officer.

Random thought. Would the release of all the details, a concise and documented press release, in a case like this hurt or help the tension around it? Would it lead to understanding (not the same as agreement) or lead to further alienate parts of society?

Fair enough mate. Tried to rep.
 
Disarm the people expect for hunting. Problem solved. We have police and military we dont need militant peoples. This isnt the Wild West where we need posse's to hunt down rapists and blame it on some poor black kid.

We dont need guns. Take them away and you take away legalized police murder.

you need tyrrany!
you are a goddamed mindless sheep!
We dont need guns. Take them away and you take away legalized police murder.

speak for yourself.
i need a gun, i want a gun. i am free.
does me having a gun infringe on your freedoms? NO!
dont be a ****ing tyrant. not because you live under a tyrant and like it. means you should force your lifestyle on a free people
does you wanting to ban guns infringes on my freedom? YES!


dont promote tyranny.
if you want to be a slave, fine your free to be one.
if you want to be a subject, fine you are free to be one.

i dont want to be slave or a subject

i want to be a citizen.


please gtfo with your tyranny propaganda.

cus your stupidity offends me and infringes on MY FREEDOM!
 
I think they press have to find evidence to press charges first. Let's hope it at least gets a chance to go to trial.


And sometimes I think Babe's been indulging in too much post-apocalyptic media!

Only sometimes?

alright, I need to re-state the case. This is court-tight legal argument now:

People have an innate, inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And the right to defend their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

When thugs come around with guns and present a reasonable threat to these things, you have the right to defend with proportionate force necessary to defend these rights.

If the apparent threat to these rights are folks with badges and guns, we as a general citizenry must demand that our legal and/or justice system present that credible, proportional force. If cops shoot people and kill them, in ways we reasonably could define as beyond the defined powers of the police, they are not cops, but criminals wearing badges. The legal system should punish offenders like that proportionately to the threat they present to the general law and order of society.

Whatever technology we give to our police, we must define responsible use and the limits of power attending that use, and prosecute offenders proportionately to the threat they are to our general right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

A police force that is trained to treat the public as a threat, as an adversary, is inherently disqualified from being given any leeway as public defenders. If the cops lose that accountability, and that sense of being defenders of our rights, we need to throw the bums out of office who are responsible for them, and get new cops who understand who they work for.

clear enough, Moe?

police defending my property rights, property being in Blackstone's opinion equivalent to life, can reasonably demand people trying to leave the vicinity to stop, be searched, or to answer some relevant questions. If they ask irrelevant questions they're doing what's called unlawful detainer. If they have no reason to think you were at the scene of the crime, or could reasonably conclude you are not a suspect, it's unlawful detainer. We have civil law attorneys who make a living pressing charges like this. . . . pay one a visit, it's your civic duty to make sure the police keep the law in mind.

If a cop shouts "Stop", if there's any question who he's shouting at, just stop. If you run, that is just cause to suspect you. You should stop and comply with reasonable requests and help the officer to quickly sort through relevant concerns and move on to more relevant concerns. When he's figured that out, say "Thank You, Officer."

But boy, these are slow times in JF forum. I haven't ever actually seen any post-apocalyptic media. Not even anything pretending to be post-apocalyptic. I haven't even played any of those killer video games, or even watched. So whatever I say, consider it to be based on events and technologies available in this age. Cars that can drive themselves because they have sensors, cameras, and computers programmed to make thousands of computations a second. We have GPS technology that is unequivocal at mere inches from 22000 miles up in the sky. Cops have onboard computers that can run any plate in the country and tell them more about the registrant of that vehicle than his mother knows. In California there are places with traffic cams, clicking off speeding tickets and stop sign/red light violations. We have facial recognition programs with millions of people's pics. . . . from drivers' licenses. . . . from facebook. . . .in the data base. The grocery store cam can announce your name as you walk in, like you're royalty entering a prestigious gathering or something, and can suggest several items you regularly purchase that are on sale today. . . .
 
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I'm not sure why, but I have a lot of really weird coincidences happen in my life. My friends say I'm an anomaly and anything that can go wrong - will... and then some... or get awkward. A few hours after reading this thread for the first time and chiming in, I was driving close to the round-about by the District in South Jordan. I wasn't turning in the round-about, just headed towards Bang-Bang Highway in the center lane, I heard this loud boom noise go off that seriously scared the **** out of me and made me jump. My first reaction was I was in a wreck, my second reaction was my car was hit by something and my third was someone shot my car. Turns out, it was just one of those 2 thousand dollars cars that some special type or person puts 5 thousand into to prove their balls are Evan Almighty-esk and larger than Troutbum's. Needless to say, it, in all seriousness, scared me (as in it made me jump.) Before today, I never would have bought the whole, "back fire sounded like gun fire" spill, but I may have a differen't perspective and all I was doing was maintaining my lane. lol
 
Negotiate with terrorists? Good idea.

We know how to fight civil wars. My father fought with your Green Berrets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dont tell me we cant handle a little civil unrest. How absurd.

Are you calling gun owners terrorists?

Also it would be more than civil unrest,. Or do you think that all the local sherriffs and police forces are going to give up their private fire arms? Do you think all the national guard and active military members will give up theirs? Not a chance.

Since you pretend to be British (general vibe I just got) I will go with a little nose tweaking. How did the Revolutionary War and the Zulus work out for you?
 
I'm not sure why, but I have a lot of really weird coincidences happen in my life. My friends say I'm an anomaly and anything that can go wrong - will... and then some... or get awkward. A few hours after reading this thread for the first time and chiming in, I was driving close to the round-about by the District in South Jordan. I wasn't turning in the round-about, just headed towards Bang-Bang Highway in the center lane, I heard this loud boom noise go off that seriously scared the **** out of me and made me jump. My first reaction was I was in a wreck, my second reaction was my car was hit by something and my third was someone shot my car. Turns out, it was just one of those 2 thousand dollars cars that some special type or person puts 5 thousand into to prove their balls are Evan Almighty-esk and larger than Troutbum's. Needless to say, it, in all seriousness, scared me (as in it made me jump.) Before today, I never would have bought the whole, "back fire sounded like gun fire" spill, but I may have a differen't perspective and all I was doing was maintaining my lane. lol

I was once golfing with my buddies, probably on pace for a 58 or so. There is a 4 some of old dudes on the green, probably mid 70's old as ****. We are probably 120 yards out or so, just waiting our turn. They putt out, and are walking off the green and we hear a loud loud BANG! .... we are all very confused as to whats happening when this old dude comes sprinting, as fast as an old *** man can, down the fairway at us.

"Wait till we are off the green to hit you ****ing assholes!!!"

"What the **** are you talking about old man!?"

"You hit right on our cart you pieces of ****!"

"**** you dude, keep on coming and see what happens!"

Or thats the best of my memory as how the convo went.

Anyways we nearly have a Bob Barker / Happy Gilmore situation on our hands until the old man thinks better of trying to take on 4 early 20's guys by himself. We are still very confused as to what the fu is going on. A few holes later we catch up and he walks over and apologizes. Apparently one of their carts backfired and they thought we hit them with an errant shot.
 
My dad once hit a guy on the fairway. We were playing on a course in Phoenix, can't remember the name. It had one pretty long hole and he wasn't a super strong driver so as the group ahead of us approached the green we told him to go ahead and tee off, then we would follow. He hit probably the best drive of his life and we watched the ball sail beautifully toward the green, then bounce back up about 20 feet in the air off one of the guys' head. Bad news = paid for stitches and got in trouble with the course. Good news = he gained maybe 25 yards off that bounce and eagled the hole. Win win I would say.
 
My dad once hit a guy on the fairway. We were playing on a course in Phoenix, can't remember the name. It had one pretty long hole and he wasn't a super strong driver so as the group ahead of us approached the green we told him to go ahead and tee off, then we would follow. He hit probably the best drive of his life and we watched the ball sail beautifully toward the green, then bounce back up about 20 feet in the air off one of the guys' head. Bad news = paid for stitches and got in trouble with the course. Good news = he gained maybe 25 yards off that bounce and eagled the hole. Win win I would say.

I got hit in the chest by my buddy chipping from only like 20 yards out once, left a huge bruise. I can't imagine getting hit with a drive.
 
Tried golf one time. Got so annoyed I threw the club out onto the course and went to lunch.
 
I wonder how much the roles of adrenaline, fight-or-flight psychology, stress, not knowing who/when/where someone might kill you because of your profession are considered when accessing situations like this.

On paper, it looks horrible but yet has a polarized viewpoint from everyone. They shouldn't have run! They shouldn't have gone John Rambo!

The underlining issues here, imo, comes down to violence (which unfortunately, is something that can't be cured,) being a police officer is one of the hardest jobs to have on every level, media (being propagated and spewed terrible violent crimes from citizens and police officers,) situational over/emotional reactions stemmed from one not knowing what could happen (that goes both ways too,) etc, etc, etc.

In other words, it's freaking complicated. I hate people.

Look at this guy... Rational thoughts? Complete sentences? Not a single "hehepeepeecaca"?




I bet he's drunk.
 
you need tyrrany!
you are a goddamed mindless sheep!


speak for yourself.
i need a gun, i want a gun. i am free.
does me having a gun infringe on your freedoms? NO!
dont be a ****ing tyrant. not because you live under a tyrant and like it. means you should force your lifestyle on a free people
does you wanting to ban guns infringes on my freedom? YES!


dont promote tyranny.
if you want to be a slave, fine your free to be one.
if you want to be a subject, fine you are free to be one.

i dont want to be slave or a subject

i want to be a citizen.


please gtfo with your tyranny propaganda.

cus your stupidity offends me and infringes on MY FREEDOM!

Do you where a white face mask?

Is your job traveling to across Europe to riot?

Is your motto remember remember the 4th of November?

STFU anarchist nobody cares what you dumb kids think. It's called SO CI ET Y. Get it?
 
Are you calling gun owners terrorists?

Also it would be more than civil unrest,. Or do you think that all the local sherriffs and police forces are going to give up their private fire arms? Do you think all the national guard and active military members will give up theirs? Not a chance.

Since you pretend to be British (general vibe I just got) I will go with a little nose tweaking. How did the Revolutionary War and the Zulus work out for you?

God are you serious? Gun toting wannabe cowboys that shoot first when ordered by there government to relinquish guns arent terrorists? Let me guess, you see Bin Laden as a freedom fighter also.


How did Vietnam and Korea go for you? How did Iraq go? The revolution was 250 years ago, now we are allies. Learn your history tough man.
 
God are you serious? Gun toting wannabe cowboys that shoot first when ordered by there government to relinquish guns arent terrorists? Let me guess, you see Bin Laden as a freedom fighter also.


How did Vietnam and Korea go for you? How did Iraq go? The revolution was 250 years ago, now we are allies. Learn your history tough man.

Lol. Do you write these "ideas" on a note pad while sitting in your church pew.

Freedom fight lmfao. Cowboys Hahahaha

As for the wars you mentioned. I wasn't the one saying my people knew how to deal with such things. Hahaha

What a maroon.
 
Do you where a white face mask?

Is your job traveling to across Europe to riot?

Is your motto remember remember the 4th of November?

STFU anarchist nobody cares what you dumb kids think. It's called SO CI ET Y. Get it?

but stay away from my rights and freedoms!


if yuo think me having a gun impedes on your freedom.

the i think you should not have kitchen kniofe alcohol or a knofe.

you stfu tyrant muther****er

becaause i am against any form of tyrany(and yes a monarch is a tyrany. go back in history, every monarch started out as a tyrant. i must be an anarchist.

you stfu and gtfo
 
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