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Building around Gobert

karl malone

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As great as Hayward & Favors are (& Exum could be), it has essentially become a requirement for legitimate championship contenders to have multiple superstars. Hayward & Favors both appear to be secondary/complimentary players (a tier or 2 below elite) rather than actual superstars, & while Exum does look to have that type of potential, it's not only far from a guarantee to happen but from also far from happening (if it does). The closest thing to a superstar/franchise player/generational talent/etc on this roster is Gobert & therefore should be the focal point of the team & determining factor in how the roster is constructed. While Gobert is an elite defensive player, he isn't the traditional type of 2-way superstar who can win a championship singlehandedly, meaning (like all superstars these days) he will likely need another one to team up with (preferably an elite scorer & shooter who isn't a defensive liability).

The question comes down to strategy: do we a) attempt to win a title by putting together a starting 5 consisting entirely of all-star caliber players who compliment each other well yet lack that prototypical superstar like DET did or do we b) make a blockbuster trade in order to acquire that 2nd superstar to pair with Gobert? I know it's not that simple as it is rare that young superstars become available, but we certainly have the high-level assets necessary to make such a trade. As of right now, we appear to have 1 currently elite player (Gobert), a potentially elite talent (Exum), 2 all-star caliber players (Hayward & Favors), 2 potential fringe starters/6th men (Hood & Burks), & several other potential role-players (Burke, Cotton, Millsap, Ingles, & Booker), as well as a late lottery pick & several (likely) late future 1st rd picks.

So do we continue down the current path & hope that we find the caliber of offensive player that we will likely need to become legitimate contenders either in house or via FA/draft/(minor) trade or do we make an aggressive trade by packaging some of our most valuable assets? Despite not being a perfect fit alongside Gobert, Favors is the player (aside from Rudy) that I would be most reluctant to part with due to his steal of a contract. I love Hayward (& Exum's potential) & believe that he embodies what this franchise stands for, but the fact that he can (& almost assuredly will) opt out as the team projects to truly become championship caliber (if it stays it's current course) & will likely require the full max under the new salary cap makes me willing to part with him in the right deal. Obviously finding that right deal is the challenge, but we may have the type of assets to make some team an offer that they can't refuse & convince them to part with a player they otherwise wouldn't be willing to part with. I'm not saying any of the other teams would do it, but if we could somehow acquire a Curry/Harden type of offensive talent, I'd have to consider any package not including Gobert.

Some variation of Hayward/Favors/Exum/Hood/#12 + some of our lesser assets would cause any GM to think long & hard before hanging up, even if it was for an elite talent. For the record, I'm not advocating that we trade everyone except for Gobert & completely restart, just that I see Gobert as a generational defensive talent who, if paired with a generational offensive talent, could win multiple NBA Championships (given the right supporting cast) & that it would be worth taking a step back in the short-term to do so. I'm sure I'll catch some flack for suggesting this & know it's unlikely that any superstars are available, but I think that the presence of Rudy Gobert alone gives us a legitimate opportunity to win a title & that as of right now, we don't project to develop onto a championship caliber team (unless Exum turns into one of the best PG's in the league- which I'm not willing to bet the opportunity to win a title on, as much as I do believe in him & Hood becomes an 18-20 ppg scorer). Just feel that it's something that needs to be considered.
 
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Hell no. We have to go to our strengths. Player development for everyone and evolve as team. And get lucky in the draft. When we uncover a unique talent then we adapt. Jazz can't do the superstar out of the box route. We have to do the Memphis Grizzlie/Atlanta Hawks approach and do it better than they do it. Our team is the superstar.
 
In response to Jazzmania

First off, if I reported your comment, it was by accident.

I actually agree with the concept, but the fact of the matter is that neither MEM or ATL is likely to win a championship with their current rosters (& MEM is actually in danger of having to completely rebuild if Gasol &/or Z-Bo leaves). We are far along enough in our rebuild that, unless we take a risk, we are in serious danger of ending up in the same predicament that we were in with D-Will/Boozer (which is the same predicament that MEM is already in & ATL will likely be in, even despite the season they just had, due to not having "that guy"). It's too late for us to draft KD/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka like OKC or Curry/Thompson/Green like GSW. We are a small-market team & if we are going to be a legitimate championship contender, we are going to have force our way into the picture (which I don't think we have done just yet).
 
In response to Jazzmania

First off, if I reported your comment, it was by accident.

I actually agree with the concept, but the fact of the matter is that neither MEM or ATL is likely to win a championship with their current rosters (& MEM is actually in danger of having to completely rebuild if Gasol &/or Z-Bo leaves). We are far along enough in our rebuild that, unless we take a risk, we are in serious danger of ending up in the same predicament that we were in with D-Will/Boozer (which is the same predicament that MEM is already in & ATL will likely be in, even despite the season they just had, due to not having "that guy"). It's too late for us to draft KD/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka like OKC or Curry/Thompson/Green like GSW. We are a small-market team & if we are going to be a legitimate championship contender, we are going to have force our way into the picture (which I don't think we have done just yet).

I'm gonna disagree with you and the OP. This team is nothing like the Boozer and Dwill team, and it's not like Memphis or Atlanta either. Our biggest strength which is Gobert, is a more unique and dominating apect to our team than theirs. Marc Gasol, who is the closest thing to Gobert is not even the same thing. Gobert's defense is so great that we can lean on it much like teams do with superstar offensive minded players. Only it might be more valuable. Time will tell.

I'm not so sure we need an offensive superstar. We might be able to win with one of the best defenses ever and turn it into championships. The offense that we get from Hayward and Favors, who are turning into really good player may actually be enough. Top it off with guys like Hood, Exum and Burks, we might actually have enough right now.

So no, I don't think we should sell the farm. Unless that guy was Durant, Davis, or Curry. I certainly wouldn't for someone like Westbrook and Harden, or anything less than that.
 
Also to clarify, I'm not saying that the trade target has to be an established player (as it may not even be an option), but that we need to at least target offensively elite prospects as our team clearly has a deficiency on that side of the ball & that our window to acquire those type of players/prospects is quickly closing. I just don't see our current roster being offensively capable of getting over that championship hump & unless we strike gold (which is possible with DL but still unlikely) ala Manu or Parker in the draft like SAS which gave the team the balance it needed & the sidekicks that Duncan needed to win championships. Don't get me wrong, I love the direction in which we are headed, but with the way the league currently is, I don't see how we win a title without another scorer (besides Hayward) who can put the offense on his back & carry the team to a win (which, while potentially good complimentary scorers, I don't fully trust Hood, Burks, Exum, Favors, etc to ever become), to go along with our championship caliber defense. As talented as Exum is, I would trade him for an equally talented prospect with a better potential offensive profile.
 
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I wasn't suggesting that we blow it up & I agree that our situation is different than the ones I referenced. Our defense does have the potential to be of all-time great caliber & essentially our superstar. I also agree that we have the potential to be a championship caliber team as stands, given that almost everything breaks right, but I'm not willing to bet our championship hopes on that happening. I also believe that playoff basketball differs from regular season basketball, & that when points are harder to come by, it is essential to have a player that can take over. Of the recent NBA champions, Kobe, Duncan, Parker, LBJ, Wade, Leonard, etc, all had the ability to takeover games consistently. While Gobert can clearly do that on the defensive end, we will need someone who can do that offensively & I'm not sure Hayward, Favors, Hood, Burks, Exum, etc, will ever be able to do so consistently at an elite level. I don't want to hit the restart button, just balance out the roster so we are championship caliber on both sides of the ball (like GSW are this year), even if that requires parting with a foundational player if necessary.
 
Just out of curiosity, can you name 5 or 10 current players that meet the criteria that you're looking for? Who would you suggest they go after? That might make it easier to understand and see your thought process.

I'm not talking about Harden or Curry. Who, in your mind, are legit targets that the Jazz should focus on?
 
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Also to clarify, I'm not saying that the trade target has to be an established player (as it may not even be an option), but that we need to at least target offensively elite prospects as our team clearly has a deficiency on that side of the ball & that our window to acquire those type of players/prospects is quickly closing. I just don't see our current roster being offensively capable of getting over that championship hump & unless we strike gold (which is possible with DL but still unlikely) ala Manu or Parker in the draft like SAS which gave the team the balance it needed & the sidekicks that Duncan needed to win championships. Don't get me wrong, I love the direction in which we are headed, but with the way the league currently is, I don't see how we win a title without another scorer (besides Hayward) who can put the offense on his back & carry the team to a win (which, while potentially good complimentary scorers, I don't fully trust Hood, Burks, Exum, Favors, etc to ever become), to go along with our championship caliber defense. As talented as Exum is, I would trade him for an equally talented prospect with a better potential offensive profile.
Please..:no more clarifying. Takes me 10 minutes to even read want you want the first time.
 
Here is the sad reality:

It takes luck to win a title. Gobert as a late first rounder was luck. Harden being available was luck. KOC not trading Kanter for Harden was stupid.

Instead of building around Harden, Hayward, Favors and Gobert, we have to hope Exum can rise to Harden's level.

We had opportunities to be a title level team. Time will tell if not trading for Harden was the key to our success.
 
Here is the sad reality:

It takes luck to win a title. Gobert as a late first rounder was luck. Harden being available was luck. KOC not trading Kanter for Harden was stupid.

Instead of building around Harden, Hayward, Favors and Gobert, we have to hope Exum can rise to Harden's level.

We had opportunities to be a title level team. Time will tell if not trading for Harden was the key to our success.

Want to talk about luck? How about the T'wolves stumbling into Andrew Wiggins followed by getting the #1 pick the next year.
 
From where we stand now, it's worth going ahead with the draft and seeing if we can come away with Turner or Porzingis. The Jazz then need to hope that both Exum and our newly minted high-upside big become All Star caliber.
 
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