The Trade Favors and Add a Replacement In Free Agency Thread

[Handlogten's Heros]

First to those saying we shouldn't discuss things that won't happen... That's what 90% of this damn board is... It's just an idea.

To those saying we could only trade favors for an established star... Those guys only come available when there are potential contract issues. We'd likely have to take a big risk that player would resign... It is more likely we would get a star by drafting in the top five. I don't see that strategy as any less risky than acquiring a top 5 pick that may become a star.

If we are able to use our current cap space to lure a decent free agent I'd be much less likely to do the deal, but it's tough to see a free agent that is high quality, gettable, and that would want to come because of the chance they might not have as big of a role on our team than other options.

This is an idea I hadn't seen discussed and thought it was interesting.... We can now go back to talking about the same 5 draft prospects, the same free agents, and the same 3 trade ideas we always talk about.

 

[LogGrad98]

heyhey

 

[Magic Spray]

Maybe... if you can replace a decent part of what Favors does with your cap space it might be worth taking the chance... I wouldn't say its much more likely the 4 is a bust. More likely than not... sure.

Jazz are not in a position where they need to start playing Moneyball. They're young, flush with cash (cap space), elite defense, have an all NBA wing, and LOTS of talented prospects. And the #12 pick.

The Mavericks, the Cavs, and the Spurs, they have to play Moneyball. Those teams need to use a lot of fancy analytical footwork to replace statistical value and find undervalued assets and **** like that.Plus ownership is willing to put up the money required, as long as it fits DL's vision.

The Jazz just need to keep the best players they have, of whom Favors is like #2,3, or 4, depending if you value potential over production. Why would the Jazz want to just scrap him? For fun?

Do they look like the gotdamn sixers to you?

But if it's for Anthony Davis? I would trade ANYONE.

 

[LogGrad98]

Favors is right now a tier 2 approaching tier 1 player in this league. The only way we trade him is for a proven tier 1 player. If we could bundle Favors and a few other minor assets to land Anthony Davis, for example.

And Cappy is right, he is under-rated on this board.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Favors' age, defense, character, contract, & improving mid-range jump shot make him the 2nd most valuable player on this team. The only way he should be traded is in a blockbuster that brings in a superstar, which is unlikely (although should be considered if the right deal ever came along).

I know this is blasphemy on Jazzfanz, but the player this thread should be about is Hayward. He is one of the best 2-way players in the NBA, represents everything that this franchise stands for (with his hustle, work ethic, character, etc), & is the reason that our offense wasn't near the bottom of the league statistically last season, but he can opt-out in 2 years (when Exum projects to become a significant contributor- meaning when we project to legitimately compete) & will likely require a max contract extension under the new salary cap (which very few players will be worth even if the cap does rise to 100 mil), if he's even interested in re-signing (which I expect him to be unless we're still a lottery team, although you never know).

Unless there is any indication that he would consider signing for less than the max, which is possible, but would likely depend on us being legitimate championship contenders by then (which may prove difficult with Exum starting), I think it needs to be considered. As much as I love Hayward & what he brings to this team, I'm not sure he will be worth 20+ mil, & to lose him for nothing just as we begin to become truly competitive would set back the franchise more than Al/Sap walking did (or trading him now would). We could wait a year but his value would be significantly lower due to his opt-out clause.

Not saying we should necessarily trade Hayward, just that if we're going to have a thread about dealing one of our big three, it should be about him instead of Favors.

I'm saying trade him because he isn't one of the best two way players not even close. He is for some reason valued around the league. There are like five draft picks that could be similar players to Hayward in two years.

Look if Hayward has been our best player he isn't that great because since Jefferson and Millsap left we are lotto bound every year. If it wasn't for the emergence of Gobert we would have had another to five pick. Hayward was the player they were planning on moving for Harden. Man we missed out there and we continue to misses out by having him. Draft Stanley Johnson, Kelly Oubre, or Rondae Hollis-Jefferson pair them with Hood we don't miss a best.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jazz are not in a position where they need to start playing Moneyball. They're young, flush with cash (cap space), elite defense, have an all NBA wing, and LOTS of talented prospects. And the #12 pick.

The Mavericks, the Cavs, and the Spurs, they have to play Moneyball. Those teams need to use a lot of fancy analytical footwork to replace statistical value and find undervalued assets and **** like that.Plus ownership is willing to put up the money required, as long as it fits DL's vision.

The Jazz just need to keep the best players they have, of whom Favors is like #2,3, or 4, depending if you value potential over production. Why would the Jazz want to just scrap him? For fun?

Do they look like the gotdamn sixers to you?

But if it's for Anthony Davis? I would trade ANYONE.

What quality free agent will come here without a starting gig available? We can use our space on other stuff I get it but it will be lower level depth guys.

Also you aren't scrapping favs for nothing... You are reallocating some if his cap space and hoping to land a star in the draft.

There are a lot if reasons I wouldn't do it but I can also see the appeal...

Also Anthony Davis is not going to become available. He's a top five player. We'd have to add so much value in addition to favs even if he did become available.

Here are the questions to consider... How many games would replacing favors with millsap cost us next year? Would we win more or less? Assume both players are healthy. Would that be a sixers move?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Ppl wanna scrap Favs cuz he can't shoot threes?!


Omg.

 

[LogGrad98]

How is favors not even close to one of the best 2 way players? How many better 6'10" 2 way players can you name?

 

[LogGrad98]

Ppl wanna scrap Favs cuz he can't shoot threes?!


Omg.

This. The whole "stretch 4" thing is so vastly over-rated it isn't funny.

 

[stitches]

Huge problem with this whole exercise is that the draft is before free agency. Utah is not traditionally big free agent destination. I don't really see any huge FAs lining up to sign with us, especially not the type of FAs at the skill-level of Favors or even close to his level. So in fact what you'd be doing is - trading Favors for a pick, before you can get his replacement in FA and before knowing if you can even get a Trevor Booker type replacement. It also sends a message to our other players and Gordon specifically - "oh, you think you have something special with that cute defense thing? You think you are close to contending and chasing playoffs? Well think again, Favors is gone, and you get this 19 year old kid, good luck with that."

I think hitting the reset button once again before we've even tried to explore how this new elite defense is going to pan out, to a huge extent dooms us to a perpetual rebuild... How good should the new 19 year old become before we decide to commit to getting better and getting into contention? Or will he become at about Favors level/or bust and then decide Hayward is not enough and send him on his way either in free agency(because he's tired of losing) or for another draft pick? Then who's the next one on the line? Rudy? At some point we have to draw the line and say - this is our core and we commit to improving the team around it. The second part of last season gave us hope that the time is now and that we have the beginning of something special, so I don't really want to hit the reset button now. I don't see any point in it.

 

[karl malone]

To Thee Jazz Fan:

He might be worth the money in 2 years, depending on how competitive we are at that point in time, but unless we are a top 4-5 seed by then, I'm not sure it's worth the risk of potentially losing him for nothing. Next season will likely have a huge impact in the direction of this franchise.

To Mission Accomplished:

If the team isn't looking like it's headed for the playoffs by the trade deadline next season, I would seriously consider trading Hayward (but only in the right deal), so as to not limit his value when he is essentially a free-agent-to-be the next year (like we handled the d-will situation so as to avoid putting ourselves in the situation that DEN did with melo). As for replacing Hayward with any of those rookies that you listed, we would miss so many beats that they'd have to put us on life support. If we miss the playoffs with a healthy & complete team (productive PG, back up C, non d-league depth) around him, then you can blame Hayward all you want, but until then, it's unfair to place the entire blame on him for missing the playoffs over the last few seasons considering the roster/circumstances.

 

[Maneesh]

Ultimately because he doesn't have a three point shot. Favors is perfect except for that one missing skill, but I think it could be a big one in DL's eyes. He wants to build a team in the SA mold.

No disrespect, but this is dumb reasoning and you certainly don't trade favors for this!!!!! So you like PFS who shoot threes at the expense of everything favors brings? Jeez.