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The Trade Favors and Add a Replacement In Free Agency Thread

stitches said:
Huge problem with this whole exercise is that the draft is before free agency. Utah is not traditionally big free agent destination. I don't really see any huge FAs lining up to sign with us, especially not the type of FAs at the skill-level of Favors or even close to his level. So in fact what you'd be doing is - trading Favors for a pick, before you can get his replacement in FA and before knowing if you can even get a Trevor Booker type replacement. It also sends a message to our other players and Gordon specifically - "oh, you think you have something special with that cute defense thing? You think you are close to contending and chasing playoffs? Well think again, Favors is gone, and you get this 19 year old kid, good luck with that."

I think hitting the reset button once again before we've even tried to explore how this new elite defense is going to pan out, to a huge extent dooms us to a perpetual rebuild... How good should the new 19 year old become before we decide to commit to getting better and getting into contention? Or will he become at about Favors level/or bust and then decide Hayward is not enough and send him on his way either in free agency(because he's tired of losing) or for another draft pick? Then who's the next one on the line? Rudy? At some point we have to draw the line and say - this is our core and we commit to improving the team around it. The second part of last season gave us hope that the time is now and that we have the beginning of something special, so I don't really want to hit the reset button now. I don't see any point in it.
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Pretty much this... I just thought it might be something interesting and divisive... Was sick of talking about whether or not Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner will fall to us and that we should max out Kwahi.
 
Since Utah isn't a free agency destination, the Jazz usually have to overpay to get a guy to come here (Boozer) or pickup a value free agent and have him outplay his contract (Carroll and Booker).

The Jazz can't count on anything from free agency. Losing Favors for anything less than a near All Star PF would hurt the team's development. I think he's a part of the Core players the Jazz want to build around. Let the Sixers perpetually tank. I think the Jazz should draft the best player they can get, maybe chase a free agent or two (nobody who disrupts team chemistry) and then see where they're at when they've got their Core guys all under contract and $20+ million of cap space and a TON of assets to go after that "missing piece" player to compliment the group we have or push them to a higher level.
 
I'm 99.99% sure the Jazz wouldn't find a "replacement" for Favors in free agency that would be as good as he is for our team.

With Favors our team benefits of the good defense outweigh the drop in offense.

This is just my opinion, but I believe the numbers from the 2nd half of last year will back it up.

It would be silly/stupid to get rid of Favors.
 
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The (new and improved) Core4 is pretty much set.

Gobert (over Kanter), Favors, Hayward and Exum (over Burke). They key moving forward is to surround them with AS MUCH talent as possible. They currently have Booker, Hood, Jingles, Burks and Burke who have all played big minutes. They also have some end of the bench guys, the #12, 42 and 54 picks in the draft, 14 more picks in the next 3 years, the rights to Tomic, Neto and Pleiss and between $10-12 (or more) in cap space.

Draft and develop - then make a move when the time is right. DL is doing this the right way. I don't expect that to change now.
 
I'd consider trading Favors if I was the GM. But it had better be for a proven elite player with a lengthy contract not some dumb *** draft pick or any rental. Sorry Favors is better than Millsap by a ways. And has been for a while. I'd not trade Favors for Millsap and Porzingis because neither of them meet my criteria of an elite player. I'm ****ing sick of rebuilding and I'm not in favor of the team moving backwards.
 
Ellis269 said:
Since Utah isn't a free agency destination, the Jazz usually have to overpay to get a guy to come here (Boozer) or pickup a value free agent and have him outplay his contract (Carroll and Booker).

The Jazz can't count on anything from free agency. Losing Favors for anything less than a near All Star PF would hurt the team's development. I think he's a part of the Core players the Jazz want to build around. Let the Sixers perpetually tank. I think the Jazz should draft the best player they can get, maybe chase a free agent or two (nobody who disrupts team chemistry) and then see where they're at when they've got their Core guys all under contract and $20+ million of cap space and a TON of assets to go after that "missing piece" player to compliment the group we have or push them to a higher level.
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Great post. Only part I disagree with is the near all star level remark. To trade Favors I'd need a bona fide all star or better player.
 
Yep, we have seen Gobert play with Favors for a good half a season. Even if they were playing all time great defense together, that **** gets old after about a month. Seriously, only morons like watching soul crushing defense. We need some Antawn Jamison like dude launching it from deep up in here. It would really be cool if we got a rookie had to develop him for three years just to get to a vintage "Twannnn" level.
 
framer said:
Yep, we have seen Gobert play with Favors for a good half a season. Even if they were playing all time great defense together, that **** gets old after about a month. Seriously, only morons like watching soul crushing defense. We need some Antawn Jamison like dude launching it from deep up in here. It would really be cool if we got a rookie had to develop him for three years just to get to a vintage "Twannnn" level.
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Or Shareef Abdur-Rahim or Antonio McDyess, or Al Jefferson.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What quality free agent will come here without a starting gig available? We can use our space on other stuff I get it but it will be lower level depth...

Here are the questions to consider... How many games would replacing favors with millsap cost us next year? Would we win more or less? Assume both players are healthy. Would that be a sixers move?
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Well, the sixers just cut bait on the rookie of the year, and they are still going to be in the ****house.

OKC tried to do this with the Harden trade. And that was a historic **** up.

In the short run replacing Favors with Millsap is probably not going to net out any more or fewer victories. But how about in 3 years when Favor will be in his mother****ing prime and Millsap's body has totally disintegrated? How clever will your scheme look then?

And yeah, no kidding Anthony Davis isn't going anywhere. Favor shoudn't either.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There are a lot of caveats to saying yes, but this idea that Favors is untradable because he has a nice contract (for now) and "likes it here" is about the biggest loser **** I have ever read on this site.
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I agree.

Favors is my third favorite player on the team (Rudy took the #2 spot this past season) and yes he is really good, has a good contract, and likes it here, but if the right trade comes along that improves the team you do it.

Same goes for Burks..... Even Rudy.
 
Broncster said:
We could clear up cap space to get a player either way. That has nothing to do with the trade. The trade is #4 pick for Favors. That is a bad trade.

Favors is a borderline all star player who is getting better every year. #4 pick is a crap shoot. Maybe if we were starting over with the rebuild then fine, get rid of older players and try your luck in the draft but we are not. We are a team hoping to make the playoffs with good young players.
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I agree. Good post
 
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