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Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

Moe is right. If you're anti-abortion, you need to be anti-IVF for the sake of consistency. This is just a logical fact-- I wonder how many fall into the pool of anti-abortion, but pro-IVF.
 
DutchJazzer said:
so just randomly killing babies is not the same as going into a movie theater and just randomly shoot in the dark?

seems the same to me.
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You choose to see life as unborn children. That's your choice. There's no law that requires everyone else to, so you can't force that on everyone else.

Meaning your gramatically piss poor statement should read:

"so just randomly killing organisms is not the same as going into a movie theater and just randomly shoot in the dark"
 
dalamon said:
Moe is right. If you're anti-abortion, you need to be anti-IVF for the sake of consistency. This is just a logical fact-- I wonder how many fall into the pool of anti-abortion, but pro-IVF.
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Im pro abortion and anti ivf.
 
dalamon said:
You support a nation, and corporations who commit non Christ-like actions to humans all across the world. Where is your advocacy for them? Disingenuous argument.
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I would argue there's a difference between non Christ-like actions and murder. I'm not sure your exact stance on abortion, but it seems like you agree it's a life form and that it's being killed. Now I disagree with a lot of things, but I can't legislate my morality on our nation or other corporations. One morality that we have legislated is murder, we tend to frown upon that. Fwiw, I also disagree with the death penalty.

Anyways, you're avoiding what I'm saying. You're tolerating something you disagree with, murder, so that people have the right to do what they want. On one hand, commendable for being "tolerant". On the other, abhorrent for remaining silent on an issue that is literally killing people. Honestly, if we as people can't be emotional about this subject, but we can be emotional about a lion getting killed, then we have failed as a country and as people.

In summary, you comparing this to other non Christ like actions is the disingenuous argument. I don't agree with drunkeneness but you don't see me trying to start the prohibition here. I just can't get down with legalized murder, which is why I disagree with abortion and the death penalty, and think those are things that we can, and should legislate, and should be vocal about.
 
dalamon said:
Moe is right. If you're anti-abortion, you need to be anti-IVF for the sake of consistency. This is just a logical fact-- I wonder how many fall into the pool of anti-abortion, but pro-IVF.
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I would agree, and I think those that use IVF should have to use all the embryos that are created. Or if they don't want to do that, then adopt. But adoptions cost $30k. Something needs to change there too.
 
Howard said:
I would agree, and I think those that use IVF should have to use all the embryos that are created. Or if they don't want to do that, then adopt. But adoptions cost $30k. Something needs to change there too.
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maybe planned parenthood can offer 9 months abortion and sell those live babies to parents for "shipping cost"
 
DutchJazzer said:
maybe planned parenthood can offer 9 months abortion and sell those live babies to parents for "shipping cost"
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Would you just shut up? You're hurting a decent discussion. I'm fine with you having an opinion, but you need to learn how to vocalize it in a different way. You're a prick that brings up dishonest arguments. As somebody who agrees with the same general message (anti-abortion), it is nauseating having somebody like you on the same "side". You're not helping anything here.
 
Howard said:
Would you just shut up? You're hurting a decent discussion. I'm fine with you having an opinion, but you need to learn how to vocalize it in a different way. You're a prick that brings up dishonest arguments. As somebody who agrees with the same general message (anti-abortion), it is nauseating having somebody like you on the same "side". You're not helping anything here.
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who cares the other side are supporting murder.
so if someone joins the other side of the argument because of my dishonest arguments good.
they are morally bankrupt and i dont care
 
Howard said:
Would you just shut up? You're hurting a decent discussion. I'm fine with you having an opinion, but you need to learn how to vocalize it in a different way. You're a prick that brings up dishonest arguments. As somebody who agrees with the same general message (anti-abortion), it is nauseating having somebody like you on the same "side". You're not helping anything here.
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Dutch in a nutshell.

He is this way about everything
 
Archie Moses said:
That's because he's trying to conform with 2015 and be politically correct. One foot in the door while one foot is out of the door on the issue.
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Personally, I liked it better pre-1960's -- when we could call a spade a spade, a black man a ******, a Jew a ****, a Mexican a *******, homo's ****, and we could all proudly wear our white outfits and hooded masks. Rights and political correctness are for ******* and pooh fingers. Frankly, I wouldn't complain if I could still carry around a club and bash my woman before dragging her by her hair into the house to cook me some venison. Sho' nuff.

Archie Moses said:
I only went back like 10 pages and you posted more than 10 times, being a dick or as you would put it, "a cross bearer" in pretty much every comment but your Hawkins one. So, yeah, you haven't engaged much or been a dick.

I can own up to coming across as a dick. Mine is attached to balls. Apparently, yours isn't.

Hehepeepeecaca
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Um, that might just be the best comeback to ever come out of this website. #impressive

BabyPeterzz said:
OK you win. Good job.
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He didn't just win, he, uh, won x2. Boo ya.
 
Howard said:
And I agree with a lot of what you said. Here's where I'm coming from. I view the fetus as a living human being, and I think it becomes a living human being at conception. So for me, abortion is murder. I just can't support it (unless for medical purposes to save the mother).

With that said, if we defund PP, we need to set up another program to do what they do, except the abortion part. We need to make adoption an easier and cheaper process. We need to promote Foster parenting more. And this is one area where I feel Christians have really failed. We want to talk about abortion a lot, but people don't seem to want to adopt or foster kids. Honestly, my wife and I talked about it before we got married and we are planning on adopting kids in the future. I think I read an article where it said if every professing Christian fostered just one child, they would all be placed in homes. How I wish that would happen.
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The problem Howard, is that the right will never, ever propose or support any program that supports women reproductive health issues, including the provision of birth control. As it now stands, the right (under the influence of its white, conservative Protestant base) is hostile to women's reproductive issues. Look no further than the (forget her fist name) Flake, who argued for women's reproductive rights and care before Congress and got absolutely crushed by the right base and its mouthpieces, calling her all sorts of names just, even for suggesting that government supported healthcare plans include contraception coverage (if I remember it correctly). So, for all of your good intentions, in the absence of PP, there would be some organization like PP, even minus abortion, and the right base would hate it just as much. Or, there would be nothing like PP, and millions of women would be absent reproductive health care, leading ironically to an increase in abortion rate.

That's the catch22 that the right base seems to overlook. They hate abortion so much that they'd kill of any organization that provides it, leading in turn to an increase in the abortion rate, as the many other reproductive services offered by these organizations actually reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and, hence, the abortion rate.

So who would the right blame if they did get rid of PP, and abortion rates increased, other than themselves? My guess: They would blame it on the cultural dysfunctions of certain social groups, most notably minorities, and specifically blacks. It would feed directly into their 'blacks are lazy, morally deficient, welfare queens' narrative.

I'm with you 100%, though, with regards to promoting adoption as an alternative to abortion.
 
I don't exactly agree with you. There are several organizations in my area that offer pretty much exactly what PP does, except abortion, and they're sponsored heavily by local churches. Churches full of white, conservative people. I think you're exaggerating just a touch here.
 
Howard said:
I don't exactly agree with you. There are several organizations in my area that offer pretty much exactly what PP does, except abortion, and they're sponsored heavily by local churches. Churches full of white, conservative people. I think you're exaggerating just a touch here.
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You are pro-contraception?
 
Gameface said:
You are pro-contraception?
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Well I'm not anti-contraception. There are limited though, I wouldn't want them giving those UTI's to 6th graders like in Seattle. I guess it varies. I don't like Plan B for sure. Condoms, birth control? Go for it. Force Catholics to provide it? Naw. But yeah, I'm not going to advocate to eliminate birth control, I like to think I'm a touch more reasonable than that.
 
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