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♪alt13 said:
Why would your parents tell you that? What purpose does telling you serve? I'm sure you have great parents but I just don't get that.
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So my parents should lie to me? As is natural for a child I had questions and they were honest and rewarded my trust in coming to them.
 
moevillini said:
sorry, but this is probably one of the most insulting comments that can be made... and it does reek of "anti-woman" sentiment even though you may claim it's not... it completely downplays the difficulty and emotional toll of the situation for the women (and often the men as well) who are involved
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I am not downplaying that any more than they are downplaying the value of human life they created through their actions and no fault of the child itself.



I am also not saying I am entirely against abortion. I think there are times when it would be appropriate. I think those times are when it would pose significant risk to the mother or child, or when a result of unchosen actions (rape, incest, etc.). There may be other case by case instances where it makes sense.

I also think this is a topic that will never be resolved outside of a courtroom. It is a topic on which people will never agree. I think scientists could develop some phantabulous machine in the future that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the zygote feels and thinks and people will still debate it isn't life. I think they could invent a machine that proves that it is nothing more than a clump of cells until it could otherwise survive outside the womb and people will debate it is still a human.
 
Adoption is huge in my family. Among my family and my siblings families there are 10 of us who are adopted. In my family I have 5 kids and only 3 are mine or my wife's biologically.

Without adoption my extended family would be a empty dull comparison to what it is now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
If you leave it alone will it continue to develop into life, without some outside intervention?
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I think the answer to this question is no.

The fetus needs the mother to continue to eat, breath air, go to dr appointment and generally take care of her self for that fetus to continue to develop into life.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think the answer to this question is no.

The fetus needs the mother to continue to eat, breath air, go to dr appointment and generally take care of her self for that fetus to continue to develop into life.
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And it has that from the get-go unless you take it away. I thought the "leave it alone" implied, you know, leaving it alone where it is in the natural course of things, not ripping it from the womb and throwing it on the floor to see if it lives. I will be more specific next time fish, sorry.
 
LogGrad98 said:
And it has that from the get-go unless you take it away. I thought the "leave it alone" implied, you know, leaving it alone where it is in the natural course of things, not ripping it from the womb and throwing it on the floor to see if it lives. I will be more specific next time fish, sorry.
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But you don't leave it alone. You go to lots of dr appointments, take all kinds of vitamins and crap, eat certain diets sometimes, avoid smoking, drugs, alcohol, etc
And if the mom died, I doubt the baby survives.

Lots of things need to be done to ensure that the fetus continues to develop.
You can't just leave it alone
 
fishonjazz said:
But you don't leave it alone. You go to lots of dr appointments, take all kinds of vitamins and crap, eat certain diets sometimes, avoid smoking, drugs, alcohol, etc
And if the mom died, I doubt the baby survives.

Lots of things need to be done to ensure that the fetus continues to develop.
You can't just leave it alone
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You can reverse all of that. No Dr. apts, no prenatal vitamins, smoke and drink and the baby will more than likely still be born. It could have serious problems but the baby would be born.

As for the mom dying and the baby dying. That depends on how far along they are and how the mom died. 26 weeks is considered viable outside the womb.
 
I have a solution.

All males are sterilized upon reaching puberty, after having left an ample supply of sperm in a sperm bank. At some point, if he and a female partner decide they want a child, they would file appropriate paperwork to get the women impregnated with his sperm. Then he could not contribute his sperm to an unplanned pregnancy, and a woman couldn't claim otherwise. All pregnancies would be planned and we'd only have to worry about situations where the pregnancy endangers the mother's health.

Problem solved. Let's get to work on that, OK?

(just kidding sort of)
 
moevillini said:
I have a solution.

All males are sterilized upon reaching puberty, after having left an ample supply of sperm in a sperm bank. At some point, if he and a female partner decide they want a child, they would file appropriate paperwork to get the women impregnated with his sperm. Then he could not contribute his sperm to an unplanned pregnancy, and a woman couldn't claim otherwise. All pregnancies would be planned and we'd only have to worry about situations where the pregnancy endangers the mother's health.

Problem solved. Let's get to work on that, OK?

(just kidding sort of)
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Interesting scenario. Aside from the civil rights issue of forced sterilization I'd worry about the requirements.

Do poor couples get denied because they are poor? Will uneducated families be treated unfairly? And so on...
 
Stoked said:
You can reverse all of that. No Dr. apts, no prenatal vitamins, smoke and drink and the baby will more than likely still be born. It could have serious problems but the baby would be born.

As for the mom dying and the baby dying. That depends on how far along they are and how the mom died. 26 weeks is considered viable outside the womb.
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Good points
 
fishonjazz said:
But you don't leave it alone. You go to lots of dr appointments, take all kinds of vitamins and crap, eat certain diets sometimes, avoid smoking, drugs, alcohol, etc
And if the mom died, I doubt the baby survives.

Lots of things need to be done to ensure that the fetus continues to develop.
You can't just leave it alone
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Humans were born for thousands of years without modern medicine or any medicine at all. Those have nothing to do with the natural process of an embryo developing into a baby. That happens anyway.

Obviously mom dying and such things are outside influences, not leaving it alone.
 
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