LDS General Conference Fall 2015

[Stoked]

So along those lines I have a serious question for everyone.

Why are "bad words" bad words?
I mean they all come from the same alphabet right? Why is **** a bad word but poop, feces, crap, dang, shoot, etc not bad words?
There is not a list of bad words in the scriptures is there?

Also, is there anywhere in scriptures that says not to smoke pot?
I remember a bible verse that says that God has given us the seed bearing plants and herbs to use. (I think I heard it in a cyprus hill song called hits from the bong)

Well one of the Mormon tenets is that the Lord is not done talking to his children and giving the guidance/revelation. So as issues arise and things change the Lord guides the church.

For example bad words are not the same back then. So as things change the Lord provides guidance on things as they change.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well one of the Mormon tenets is that the Lord is not done talking to his children and giving the guidance/revelation. So as issues arise and things change the Lord guides the church.

For example bad words are not the same back then. So as things change the Lord provides guidance on things as they change.

I see
Thanks

 

[Stoked]

Sad. Bet it makes you sympathize with nonLDS people in Utah, though. And helps one understand why we're continually getting conference addresses telling us NOT to treat our neighbors like that. (Sad that such addresses are necessary.)

I agree that it is sad. I see it here all the time and it saddens me. Self proclaimed Christians behaving in a way that I think would sadden Him.

Love on another as I have love you.

 

[mellow]

Something I think plays into it is a case of the Keeping Up With The Joneses. In Utah it is majority Mormon so everyone is a member. So members try to out mormon each other and things get cliquish and judgemental.

Well said stoked. i have seen this too often in my life. It reminds me of a column by Kirby from the salt lake tribune, he talked about people who smelled of tobacco smoke being shunned in Mormon church, then said it was too bad other sins or weaknesses didn't smell. As I recall, He suggested that if self-righteousness smelled like a rotting carp carcus that no-one would go to church on Sunday because of the smell.

For me it is a delicate and dynamic balance striving for saint like behavior, but living unpretentiously.

 

[NAOS]

Sounds like you're with Brother Brigham (and me) on this one: "the greatest fear I have is that the people of this Church will accept what we say as the will of the Lord without first praying about it and getting the witness within their own hearts that what we say is the word of the Lord"

I'm hugely curious about Brigham Young. His political career in the Utah territory alone seems like a subject of serious intrigue. Would love to read more.

 

[Stoked]

I see
Thanks

Not that I think that the Lord said "hey guys don't say x, y and z". I think it is more in tune with Love one another as I have loved you and how not to treat others. Swearing at someone is not a way of showing that.

 

[Stoked]

Well said stoked. i have seen this too often in my life. It reminds me of a column by Kirby from the salt lake tribune, he talked about people who smelled of tobacco smoke being shunned in Mormon church, then said it was too bad other sins or weaknesses didn't smell. As I recall, He suggested that if self-righteousness smelled like a rotting carp carcus that no-one would go to church on Sunday because of the smell.

For me it is a delicate and dynamic balance striving for saint like behavior, but living unpretentiously.

Human nature confuses building up with tearing others down.

 

[fishonjazz]

Love on another

Now we're talkin!

 

[colton]

I think he meant "one"...

 

[b_line]

On the question of smoking pot that fish brought up: can Mormons in Colorado for example smoke pot and not break the word of wisdom? I say technically yes. But I wouldn't do it myself. I'm just not into getting high. As far as I know, though there is not a statement from the church on whether or not it is OK. I ask this question to a lot of my Mormon friends, and not one of them has agreed with me on it yet, and I absolutely understand their sentiment, but I still see a technicality that could make for some funny moments when the ward party features special brownies.

 

[mellow]

On the question of smoking pot that fish brought up: can Mormons in Colorado for example smoke pot and not break the word of wisdom? I say technically yes. But I wouldn't do it myself. I'm just not into getting high. As far as I know, though there is not a statement from the church on whether or not it is OK. I ask this question to a lot of my Mormon friends, and not one of them has agreed with me on it yet, and I absolutely understand their sentiment, but I still see a technicality that could make for some funny moments when the ward party features special brownies.

One of the secrets to a happy life is never eat community food, including food at a ward party.

 

[fishonjazz]

Always eat free food

 

[mellow]

Always eat free food

I once thought as you do. A few ward diners where I used to live and a few hours in the ER on a fluids drip cured me of that. I will eat free community food, as long as it is individually wrapped, from a commercial kitchen and I am near the front of the line. Simply not worth the risk.

 

[colton]

On the question of smoking pot that fish brought up: can Mormons in Colorado for example smoke pot and not break the word of wisdom? I say technically yes. But I wouldn't do it myself. I'm just not into getting high. As far as I know, though there is not a statement from the church on whether or not it is OK.

I think the church teaching is pretty clear that recreational use is NOT OK. I can probably find several church-related sources of varying degrees of doctrinality that address that. This would be a good place to start: https://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=marijuana

What is much less clear is whether medical use is OK. I can't think of any church statements against that, off the top of my head. So I think you could make a pretty good case that medical use would indeed be acceptable in areas where it's also legal.

 

[fishonjazz]

I once thought as you do. A few ward diners where I used to live and a few hours in the ER on a fluids drip cured me of that. I will eat free community food, as long as it is individually wrapped, from a commercial kitchen and I am near the front of the line. Simply not worth the risk.

But now your stomach is tougher and built up immunities to nasty, disease and bacteria carrying foods though right?
(This is what the anti vaccine crowd would have me believe anyway)

 

[mellow]

But now your stomach is tougher and built up immunities to nasty, disease and bacteria carrying foods though right?
(This is what the anti vaccine crowd would have me believe anyway)

I would rather eat my boogers than sister cranfields chili.

 

[fishonjazz]

I would rather eat my boogers than sister cranfields chili.

Lol

 

[mellow]

I think the church teaching is pretty clear that recreational use is NOT OK. I can probably find several church-related sources of varying degrees of doctrinality that address that. This would be a good place to start: https://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=marijuana

What is much less clear is whether medical use is OK. I can't think of any church statements against that, off the top of my head. So I think you could make a pretty good case that medical use would indeed be acceptable in areas where it's also legal.

Has it been approved as a treatment for anxiety or stress?

I listened to some old lds talks (1960-75) where much of the warnings about the drug culture was aimed at the idea that drugs helped people have spiritual experiences. I had forgotten that was a draw in the early evolution of the drug culture, we don't hear about that much anymore.

 

[colton]

Has it been approved as a treatment for anxiety or stress?

Don't know. I guess one would have to consult a doctor. And in fact using it under a doctor's supervision would probably be important rather than self-medicating (in my mind, anyway).

I listened to some old lds talks (1960-75) where much of the warnings about the drug culture was aimed at the idea that drugs helped people have spiritual experiences. I had forgotten that was a draw in the early evolution of the drug culture, we don't hear about that much anymore.

Interesting. I believe that was a major point of LSD in particular, which due to the spelling could easily be mistaken for LDS. ;-) (Cueing line from Star Trek IV...)

 

[Bronco70]

I think the church teaching is pretty clear that recreational use is NOT OK. I can probably find several church-related sources of varying degrees of doctrinality that address that. This would be a good place to start: https://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=marijuana

What is much less clear is whether medical use is OK. I can't think of any church statements against that, off the top of my head. So I think you could make a pretty good case that medical use would indeed be acceptable in areas where it's also legal.

This is one of my greatest sources of frustration about Mormon culture... I understand why recreational marijuana would be against the word of wisdom. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's acceptable in that context. Alcohol is legal, yet still against the WoW. My beef is this: Medical marijuana. If it is being used for legitimate medical reasons, why would it still be considered taboo? Because everyone has been conditioned to believe that marijuana is inherently evil, that's why. Prozac? Sure! Xanax? Great! Naturally occurring marijuana? Ooh, I think I feel the devil in the room. We need to get over the notion that marijuana is evil. It ain't. Church members need to educate themselves instead of clinging to a terrible misconception.