Steph Curry is the best shooter ever

[Hotdog]

The eyetest and common sense are enough for me.

It's not common sense and your eyes must be bad.

It's romancing the past. That's all it is. People tend to look at the past and talk it up to make it seem better than it really was.

The physicality of the NBA is about the same. That's the truth. The NBA is still a physical game. Banging with someone down low is still the same. Bodies don't change. Certainly not for the worst. If anything, it can only be argued that players are bigger faster stronger now. Not the other way around. Players were a lot less informed and conscious about what goes into their body than ever before.

There are slight differences. Like more power forwards shooting threes, and the hand check rule. But not much.

I can argue that stars like Jordan had it much easier than stars of today. It seemed like if you even got close to Jordan a foul was called. What about that aspect? Why doesn't that make its way into the argument of whether it was more physical?

Maybe there were more fights. But that don't mean anything. Most the fights were comical anyways. And it's only because the emphasis on staying on the bench changed it a little.

I watched 90's NBA too. I can turn on old highlights and look back on it. It doesn't appear to me to be any more physical or harder to play in, or the players were better.

Steph Curry would still light up the 90's. He'd probably average more ppg tbh since the refs would send him to line more. That's really the biggest difference. The game was officiated a lot different. A lot less fair.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Bruh. Life isn't fair.

Please stop with the 90's was so much more physical. That's a myth. Can you provide any evidence to back up your claim?

the hand checking rule!

 

[Hotdog]

the hand checking rule!

That's so over played. It barely changed anything. People still put their hands all over other players. It's not like players were using that to stop other players. You did anything that looked like it stopped or slowed Jordan, a foul was called. How do you explain that?

Everything is about the same from the 90's til now. We aren't talking about to completely different eras.

Please provide some evidence that shows how much harder it was to play in the 90's. Otherwise I can just assume you are making it up.

 

[Hotdog]

Ummm.

I can clearly see that Lebron is being hand checked. Leonard is actually grabbing his jeresy.


The grabbing, pushing, pulling, physicality still happens in the NBA. Some people just choose not to notice it.

 

[Hotdog]

 

[Hotdog]

I literally could post thousand of examples of physical play in the current NBA.

 

[DutchJazzer]

how about ruels all hard ls are now flagrant.

heck there where season where malone racked up a gazillion technical fouls.


if you are saying todays nba is just as physical well i guess i am disillusion.

if thats true then curry is the best shooter ever.

 

[Hotdog]

how about ruels all hard ls are now flagrant.

heck there where season where malone racked up a gazillion technical fouls.


if you are saying todays nba is just as physical well i guess i am disillusion.

if thats true then curry is the best shooter ever.

You are delusional. Someone sold you that it was a rougher NBA back then. You know who it was? It was the same people who played back then. You don't think they wanna talk it up and make themselves seem better, make it seem like they fought harder? Of course they want to sell you on that. They are desperate for recognition. They don't want be forgotten. They biased. They aren't going to give you a straight unbiased answer.

 

[Game6Conley]

Good thread.

Durant is one of the best shooters ever too. Curry has earned that top spot though.

He's also the best PG in the league, hands down..

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ummm.

I can clearly see that Lebron is being hand checked. Leonard is actually grabbing his jeresy.


The grabbing, pushing, pulling, physicality still happens in the NBA. Some people just choose not to notice it.

You can hand check if they are stationary. Like, just putting your hand on them. It's when they start moving to the basket, you are allowed to push with your hands.

 

[carolinajazz]

the hand checking rule!

...Dutch is correct-o-mundo! Hand checking was a big part of defense in the 80's and 90's so much so that they made it against the rules because the game was being affected offensively to the point of no return! Personally, I think hand checking of sorts is the ONLY way you can slow some of these guys down who are professional "palmers" of the ball, which gives them so much of an advantage it's not even funny! All that being said.....I'm thisclose to believing that Curry is the best shooter ever!!!

 

[addictionary]

Gotta love late 90's early 2000's. New age meeting old-skool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyA76nqXyeQ


By the way I'm a big fan of the talent of T-Mac. He was one of those special ones.


Yes, Curry would have big troubles having the same efficiency on offense in Jordan's league, but he earns a lot of respect for becoming a consistent machine in the heat of the game and showing how one can be so light moving around to his goal.


I would love to see what he could do on a hand-checked D though.

 

[Hotdog]

Gotta love late 90's early 2000's. New age meeting old-skool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyA76nqXyeQ


By the way I'm a big fan of the talent of T-Mac. He was one of those special ones.


Yes, Curry would have big troubles having the same efficiency on offense in Jordan's league, but he earns a lot of respect for becoming a consistent machine in the heat of the game and showing how one can be so light moving around to his goal.


I would love to see what he could do on a hand-checked D though.

Nope. Curry wouldn't have big troubles.

Newsflash - Humans werent superior beings in the 90's to humans now. If it were so hard to score back then, why were there just as many scorers as now, and just as many points being scored?


Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?

The only difference is that the 3 is used a lot more these days. Can you imagine Curry going up against defenses that didn't respect the 3, like Sloan's teams. Curry would torch them for more points than even now.

I'd bet my mother ****ing life that Curry's handles, smarts, and shooting touch would translate to any era. The further you go back, the more deadly he becomes. Curry only needs an inch. Hilarious that any would think he would struggle in the 90's

Give. Me. A. Break.


Curry is the best shooter ever, and building a case for one if the best players ever. He's the best player in the league, last year, and this year. Probably gonna go down as a top 15 player ever, maybe higher.

 

[addictionary]

Nope. Curry wouldn't have big troubles.

Newsflash - Humans werent superior beings in the 90's to humans now. If it were so hard to score back then, why were there just as many scorers as now, and just as many points being scored?


Why is this so difficult for people to grasp?

The only difference is that the 3 is used a lot more these days. Can you imagine Curry going up against defenses that didn't respect the 3, like Sloan's teams. Curry would torch them for more points than even now.

I'd bet my mother ****ing life that Curry's handles, smarts, and shooting touch would translate to any era. The further you go back, the more deadly he becomes. Curry only needs an inch. Hilarious that any would think he would struggle in the 90's

Give. Me. A. Break.


Curry is the best shooter ever, and building a case for one if the best players ever. He's the best player in the league, last year, and this year. Probably gonna go down as a top 15 player ever, maybe higher.

Because hand checks would make 3's more difficult for him. There is nothing to grasp. It was a tougher game in Jordan's time. Now they call foul for many contacts that were just intense defense back then. Not to mention Superstar calls that spoil it. If this is a dogma for you, I think you should consider the dogma of "new is better" again too.

my favorite line-up: rudy-favors-gordon-alec-trey

 

[Hotdog]

Because hand checks would make 3's more difficult for him. There is nothing to grasp. It was a tougher game in Jordan's time. Now they call foul for many contacts that were just intense defense back then. Not to mention Superstar calls that spoil it. If this is a dogma for you, I think you should consider the dogma of "new is better" again too.

my favorite line-up: rudy-favors-gordon-alec-trey

How in the hell do you figure that? Its just not true. In the 90's the league point per game average was higher than it is now. How do you explain that if the defense was so much more intense?

Example.

League average pints per game

90 - 107
91 - 106
92 - 105
93 - 105


2012 - 98
2013 - 101
2014 - 100
2015 - 101


It's a complete myth than the defenses were tougher back then. It's an urban legend. You've been duped. You aren't thinking for yourself.

 

[Hotdog]

So Curry actually plays in a an era where the defenses are harder to score against. The numbers don't lie. Curry would torch the 90's.

 

[Hotdog]

If someone could actually bring some kind of proof that defenses were so much tougher in the 90's, that would be nice.

Just saying hand check rule is pretty weak. Doesn't prove or mean anything.

It's funny how this myth persists. There is no need for it to. We live in an era with access to all sorts of information and video proof. It's pretty easily to take a look back in the past, and see that it's simply not true. The numbers and tape don't lie.

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[Siro]

I was also under the impression that defense was better, and tougher, in the 90s. But Hack makes a compelling point. Both PPG and FG% are a bit lower today than they were in the 90s. Slightly more fouls were called back then on average, and the pace remains about the same. I think it might be skewed perspective by former players hyping the "good ol' days", in addition to things like more fights and such.

 

[addictionary]

How in the hell do you figure that? Its just not true. In the 90's the league point per game average was higher than it is now. How do you explain that if the defense was so much more intense?

Example.

League average pints per game

90 - 107
91 - 106
92 - 105
93 - 105


2012 - 98
2013 - 101
2014 - 100
2015 - 101


It's a complete myth than the defenses were tougher back then. It's an urban legend. You've been duped. You aren't thinking for yourself.

You are keening too much on numbers. I am talking from what I see when I watch games. How can you watch and say this? Have you ever seen Jordan rules in action? It is right there archived on youtube.

my favorite line-up: rudy-favors-gordon-alec-trey

 

[addictionary]

I was also under the impression that defense was better, and tougher, in the 90s. But Hack makes a compelling point. Both PPG and FG% are a bit lower today than they were in the 90s. Slightly more fouls were called back then on average, and the pace remains about the same. I think it might be skewed perspective by former players hyping the "good ol' days", in addition to things like more fights and such.

It is not solely a good old days thing. You just gotta give a thing its credit. That era was the best to me when I was watching it too. Not only when it became past. I was not going "Jordan is no Magic" or anything. Now people in Europe watch NBA and get bored of the slacky vibe of the games many times except when it gets real.

my favorite line-up: rudy-favors-gordon-alec-trey