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Any theories for bad Jazz performances with plenty of rest?

Hayward only has 4 games where he didn't get to the FT line at least 4 times (2 of which where blowouts in Utah's favor).
 
King Cy said:
Uhh, Hayward has scored 17 or more points in 10 straight games.

Hayward has scored below 15 points 4 times this season (3 of those 4 where in the first 3 games).

Hayward only has 3 games with below 2 assist.

Hayward only has 3 games without a made 3 pointer.

I can pull up a bunch of other stats that says Hayward has been extremely consistent this year, save for the first few games of the season and 1 bad game vs the Raptors.

So NAOS, you can stop being a dumbass whenever.
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how he's gotten his numbers has shifted from game to game. Pretty dramatically sometimes. He'll be ice cold from range and rim-running all game, then he'll heat up from range and look for his shots from out there, then he'll disappear altogether for a half. Being consistent can't be proven by scoring statistics because you can score in a variety of ways (i.e. you can score inconsistently). On what other basics do you need a refresher?

The basic eye test disproves the Hayward Is Consistent hypothesis. He's an important player for us. But he is inconsistent enough that any team led by him (at this point in his career) will be an inconsistent team. Right now, a lot of his teammates are adjusting themselves to what is working for him, rather than knowing what they'll do because they know how he's going to get what he's going to get. Big difference. I'm hoping Favors has more and more influence.
 
NAOS said:
how he's gotten his numbers has shifted from game to game. Pretty dramatically sometimes. He'll be ice cold from range and rim-running all game, then he'll heat up from range and look for his shots from out there, then he'll disappear altogether for a half. Being consistent can't be proven by scoring statistics because you can score in a variety of ways (i.e. you can score inconsistently). On what other basics do you need a refresher?

The basic eye test disproves the Hayward Is Consistent hypothesis. He's an important player for us. But he is inconsistent enough that any team led by him (at this point in his career) will be an inconsistent team. Right now, a lot of his teammates are adjusting themselves to what is working for him, rather than knowing what they'll do because they know how he's going to get what he's going to get. Big difference. I'm hoping Favors has more and more influence.
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lol
 
King Cy said:
Uhh, Hayward has scored 17 or more points in 10 straight games.

Hayward has scored below 15 points 4 times this season (3 of those 4 where in the first 3 games).

Hayward only has 3 games with below 2 assist.

Hayward only has 3 games without a made 3 pointer.

I can pull up a bunch of other stats that says Hayward has been extremely consistent this year, save for the first few games of the season and 1 bad game vs the Raptors.

So NAOS, you can stop being a dumbass whenever.
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He's been consistent for the past 10 games. First 10 games, he scored 13 or under 4 times. Everyone was complaining about Hayward not bringing it, and others were reminding them that Hayward always takes a while to get going (i.e. inconsistent). Last season he played very well for the most part, the previous season he did not.

Hayward is very good, but historically, he has not been specially consistent. 10 games is too small a sample to change a long historical trend.
 
Siro said:
He's been consistent for the past 10 games. First 10 games, he scored 13 or under 4 times. Everyone was complaining about Hayward not bringing it, and others were reminding them that Hayward always takes a while to get going (i.e. inconsistent). Last season he played very well for the most part, the previous season he did not.

Hayward is very good, but historically, he has not been specially consistent. 10 games is too small a sample to change a long historical trend.
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Yeah, like I said, 3 of those 4 games where the first 3 games of the season. So he has scored under 13 once in the last 17 games.

Everyone was complaining = the people who always complain about things when they arent going perfectly for a 1 game stretch and think Hayward should be Lebron James (even Lebron has bad games though).

This season he has been our most consistent player. Last he was our most consistent player. He has been a really consistent player under Snyder. That is the trend. He is consistent.
 
King Cy said:
Yeah, like I said, 3 of those 4 games where the first 3 games of the season. So he has scored under 13 once in the last 17 games.

Everyone was complaining = the people who always complain about things when they arent going perfectly for a 1 game stretch and think Hayward should be Lebron James (even Lebron has bad games though).

This season he has been our most consistent player. I think that is pretty much a fact.
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Ya I agree. He'll always give a good effort, even if his shot isn't falling or if things are not going his way. Favors is more inconsistent and will have very quiet games where he scores 6 points and is completely invisible.
 
Siro said:
Ya I agree. He'll always give a good effort, even if his shot isn't falling or if things are not going his way. Favors is more inconsistent and will have very quiet games where he scores 6 points and is completely invisible.
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Yes, exactly. I'm not saying Hayward is the most consistent player in the NBA, but for the Jazz it's not even a debate IMO.
 
My 2 cents? Hayward has been consistent.

Almost without fail when I have bet on Hayward to go over his line on whatever stat, I have won money.

Whenever I have stupidly bet the under, like last night, I have lost money
 
I agree with Cy, overall Hayward has been the most consistent, steadying influence on the team. He's always the guy the team looks to for leadership, to get that big basket. There have been games when his shot is not falling, and I would agree that his shooting is not consistent, but his overall play, defense, team leadership, playmaking, rebounding, yes, consistent.
 
I agree with Cy on this one. I don't think there are many small forwards that have been more consistent, in terms of production, this year than Hayward.
 
Who does NAOSpergers think Utah's most consistent player is?
 
King Cy said:
Yes, exactly. I'm not saying Hayward is the most consistent player in the NBA, but for the Jazz it's not even a debate IMO.
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you didn't say he was "the most consistent player on the jazz." You said he was "consistent," end of comment. There's a difference, guy. I agree with the first quote. I don't agree with the second. Consistent is a relative term, so it bloody matters what you make it relative to.

Hayward is trying to do something very few can do: lead a team while being consistent.
 
I'll re-join the OP:

the problem is inconsistent players, in general. The inconsistency in the starting lineup is most troubling.
 
NAOS said:
you didn't say he was "the most consistent player on the jazz." You said he was "consistent," end of comment. There's a difference, guy. I agree with the first quote. I don't agree with the second. Consistent is a relative term, so it bloody matters what you make it relative to.

Hayward is trying to do something very few can do: lead a team while being consistent.
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you're defining the relative boundaries of 'consistent' subjectively as well. "only consistent player on the team" asserts his consistency relative to other players on the team, and doesnt necessarily equate to this non-definable label of what 'consistency' concretely is
 
NAOS said:
I'll re-join the OP:

the problem is inconsistent players, in general. The inconsistency in the starting lineup is most troubling.
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wish we had the consistency of bulldogs Danny Green and Demarre Carroll on this team tbh
 
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