LDS Church fined for contributions to Prop 8!! HA!

[The-Joker]

I don't think everyone is called of god. I think if there was some god figure calling a select of his minions and telling them secrets... that would be about as far as the chain of command would go. The right guy would get the head position and than from there delegate power... i.e. I have been called of god and I use my judgement to ordain you.... I have been called by a guy who was called of god and use my judgement to ordain you. Sure there's going to be some f-ups along the line, because not everyone peers into the bedroom before they make a decision.

Even if those men were called of god to be bishops and stuff, you don't see as many outright injustices against humanities like in other denominations (diddling kids and stuff, flying planes into buildings)... you often see just power hungry pricks who have allowed their vision of transcendence to stretch into real life.

 

[Beantown]

How far removed is your wife from the tribe? This is a lifelong thing as long as the Casino is still running?

She is 1/4. Yes its lifelong and our money doubles when she turns 50.

 

[Safetydan]

Addendum to Archie's post:

While church callings (especially bishops) are supposed to divinely inspired, I suspect that they sometimes are not. But not by God's choice. Those who are choosing others for positions within the church are supposed to pray about it and seek inspiration. Not all do. Sometimes choices are made politically, or even randomly. Hopefully this isn't always the case. But it happens. When my wife and I were first married, we lived in a ward with a mean, vindictive, heinous bishop. He drove people out of the ward. I wondered how God could pick this guy to lead a congregation. But it didn't shake my faith, it just made me avoid him. God only helps in the decision process when He's asked to.

That's my 2c.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel

 

[Beantown]

This is pretty much exactly how I feel

Me too, if a person is not actively seeking Gods direction then its fairly obvious that no direction will be given.

 

[Jesus Christ]

Sometimes I wonder if people are called to positions so God can really test peoples faith and other things he wants us to have. The LDS church teaches that it should support its leaders and sometimes, it can be very hard. Not saying that there are a ton of leaders that are the extreme like Buttars, but I'm sure there are a lot of people that are learning patience, charity, and long suffering (lol) because they have such terrible leaders. On my mission, an AP was called, and I absolutely couldn't stand him. This AP was seriously crazy. I'm not kidding you. I did a split with him one time before he became AP and we talked to some random guy on the street in the rain for two hours. I didn't say a word, and this missionary talked the whole time. At the end, he tried to force the gentleman we were talking with to take a BoM. The man politely declined. This missionary began to cry, and did the worst acting job I've ever seen to manipulate the man. He began sob like a baby and then out of no where, he started to beat his head with the BoM the man didn't take to try and make him feel bad that he didn't accept. Granted, this missionary worked very hard, and knew the scriptures crazy good, but I always felt weird around him and I seriously felt the complete opposite of what I think the spirit feels like. Anyways, after he became AP he taught us at a zone conference and told us that we needed to repent for how we've read the scriptures our whole life, but not to worry because he would teach us how to read them right during his lesson. I was a Zone Leader at the time, and I had to convince about 4 Elders that were extremely pissed not to riot. I told them that he was in that position to test our faith. To this day I think I learned a lot from that experience and rather have it shake my faith, it made me think about things a little clearer. Anyways, I'm just rambling... Ok, bye.

You know, or a better explanation is that I have better things to do than micro-manage all the measly political movements of your church.

 

[Jesus Christ]

By the way Beantown, it should be said that while I'm glad that you have faith in me... I have absolutely no faith in you.

 

[bigb]

Addendum to Archie's post:

While church callings (especially bishops) are supposed to divinely inspired, I suspect that they sometimes are not. But not by God's choice. Those who are choosing others for positions within the church are supposed to pray about it and seek inspiration. Not all do. Sometimes choices are made politically, or even randomly. Hopefully this isn't always the case. But it happens. When my wife and I were first married, we lived in a ward with a mean, vindictive, heinous bishop. He drove people out of the ward. I wondered how God could pick this guy to lead a congregation. But it didn't shake my faith, it just made me avoid him. God only helps in the decision process when He's asked to.

That's my 2c.

I have been in this position before and completely agree with you. I also feel it's very possible (and probably happens all the time) for a human mind to misinterpret God's divine guidance.

 

[bigb]

Do you pay tithing on it?

yes

What about the Church's stance that it doesn't want that filthy lucre?

 

[bigb]

She is 1/4. Yes its lifelong and our money doubles when she turns 50.

Is that as far out as it goes? I mean, your wife is 1/4 and she gets money, but your kids won't because they'll only be 1/8? I used to work with a guy who got money from his tribe, but his kids wouldn't because they were too far removed. Or is it a tribe based decision?
BTW, what tribe is she?

 

[Bronco70]

You know, or a better explanation is that I have better things to do than micro-manage all the measly political movements of your church.

Like hanging out on basketball message boards?

 

[moevillini]

Like hanging out on basketball message boards?

where else?

(from a website called "godsnuts.com")

 

[Beantown]

Is that as far out as it goes? I mean, your wife is 1/4 and she gets money, but your kids won't because they'll only be 1/8? I used to work with a guy who got money from his tribe, but his kids wouldn't because they were too far removed. Or is it a tribe based decision?
BTW, what tribe is she?

I believe my kids get something when they are 18 but I am not 100%. She is Ottawa.

Also the church is against tithing on lottery winnings. The Millers pay tithing on all ESA which includes the sale of alchohol. Also our money comes from the profits of the entire resort. Not just the casino portion.

 

[Jesus Christ]

Like hanging out on basketball message boards?

Literally, yes.

"Should John David Smith be appointed as young men's counselor in the 5th wa..." hey, let me stop you right there, I don't care.

 

[Jesus Christ]

I just want to repeat the only two reasons why my faithful followers believe gays should not have the same rights:

1. It's gross.
2. I told you so.

So if there's ever a debate about it, like here, just say one of those two reasons and you'll dominate the opposition. They're as close to a golden gun as you'll get here.

 

[Scorpjazz]

This thread is a joke. Started as a feelgood moment for anarchy loving athiests and went downhill from there.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

This thread is a joke. Started as a feelgood moment for anarchy loving athiests and went downhill from there.

Not sure where the anarchy loving was in the beginning of this thread.

 

[Jesus Christ]

This thread is a joke. Started as a feelgood moment for anarchy loving athiests and went downhill from there.

YEAAA THOSE ANARCHY LOVING ATHEISTS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!! THEY ARE ATHEISTS SO THEY LOVE ANARCHY AND CHAOS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! lol man, you crack me up.

By the way, I fully support the notion that we work in mysterious ways to solve all the **** ups we've done over the years in controlling your planet. I love how you guys do that. It's like, we didn't even NEED to intervene with some ham-handed revelation/explanation, you just assume there's a divine reason Butters was made bishop, I love it. Some of you guys will make great footstools for me in the celestial kingdom.

 

[TroutBum]

YEAAA THOSE ANARCHY LOVING ATHEISTS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!! THEY ARE ATHEISTS SO THEY LOVE ANARCHY AND CHAOS RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! lol man, you crack me up.

By the way, I fully support the notion that we work in mysterious ways to solve all the **** ups we've done over the years in controlling your planet. I love how you guys do that. It's like, we didn't even NEED to intervene with some ham-handed revelation/explanation, you just assume there's a divine reason Butters was made bishop, I love it. Some of you guys will make great footstools for me in the celestial kingdom.

He said stool.

 

[bigb]

I believe my kids get something when they are 18 but I am not 100%. She is Ottawa.

Also the church is against tithing on lottery winnings. The Millers pay tithing on all ESA which includes the sale of alchohol. Also our money comes from the profits of the entire resort. Not just the casino portion.

The Church doesn't want any money from any gambling. I was just curious what you're thoughts are. I asked my dad about it yesterday (he's been a bishop twice {no, he's not Buttars}). He just thought about it for a second and said, "I don't know".

 

[TroutBum]

Just let the Holier Than Thou hypocrite enjoy his free money, geeze, they earned it!