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You guys are bleepin idiots. Look what the DWill trade got us. We're just beginning to recover now. No, I think we need to give these guys a chance. As it was said, O thee of little faith ...
It is time consider trade Hayward
- Thread starter Maneesh
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da ThRONe
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I don't think the DWill trade is the prime example for the case of not trading Hayward.
Jamezz
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I think what most people mean when they talk about options 1 through 5 in a team is how consistent a player is with his contributions to the team, along with how clutch he is. Option 1 being the player that contributes the most towards wins and option 5 being the weakest link in the starting lineup.
In this case you may argue that Hayward is our number 1 option but he isn't good enough of a number 1 option if your goal is to win a ring. In a league where historically teams who had a superstar caliber number 1 option have been the ones that have won the most rings (yes there are exceptions like the Spurs or Detroit in the 'Bad Boys' era) I think it's fair to question whether if we should consider trying to land such kind of player.
Ellipse
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By your definition, our number 1 option is Gobert, which makes Hayward just fine as our number 2.
This whole option numbering thing is so retro.
Game6Conley
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In the regular season, maybe. Once the playoffs start its important to have a hierarchy established.
Game6Conley
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It's important to note in conversations about #1 options that there are teams with more than 1 #1 option.. One is not singular. 1 doesn't always imply the top option, it works a bit more like Aces on a pitching staff.. Kobe and Shaq.. Not MJ and Pippen, MJ was the only top option that team needed. When OKC had Harden, they had damn near 3 legit #1 options, can't go wrong with any of em, obviously Durant is/was the best...
When you get two big-time players that buy into the other being big-time, that's how it works. It's been a formula to win in the playoffs since at least the 70's..
Howeva -- it's quite understandable for anyone who had to watch Al Jefferson as the #1 option in Utah to want to play system/concept/team ball (or give it to whoever's hot on a given night), still someones gotta pull the trigger on the big shots, we all know if its Trey Burke, the Jazz will be light-work for a real playoff team..
In the Playoffs the opposition will know the Jazz personnel much better, there's gotta be someone everyone trusts on the team to throw it to when **** gets tough, who can get results, or games on the road with early mishaps can get out of hand quickly, thats when 'team ball' unravels. Even that Detroit Pistons championship team had Rip Hamilton to run those curls whenever they needed. They also had 4 all-stars, and by-far the best defense in the league..
The Jazz could aspire to land 2 #1 options, and a top-5 defense that's what the upgrade would be.. that should be the aim for any franchise IMO. So if they could do something like flip Hayward for a top pick in the draft like Jamal Murray, who can play and shoot the lights out at PG or SG(potential #1 option?), then somehow use the rest of Haywards salary coming off the books to find another near #1 option... Obviously two is better than one, and obviously the time to cash in on Hayward's trade value could be limited.. These scenarios are quite risky, obviously there's considerable upside though -- IMO(If everything goes according to plan).
Theoretically Hayward would be an outstanding #2 option, i'd even classify him as a 1½. He's also a plus defensively(vs the lower tier SF's), which certainly factors into his trade value, there's some top options that aren't plus defenders at-all..
Another interesting option for the Jazz is to try to go after like 6 #1½ type options.. and share the rock. That might be a way to win if the defense is top-notch. Right now they've got Hayward and Favors as 1½ options, Burks and Hood are certainly trending in that direction, maybe they think Lyles can develop into a top option eventually? Trey Burke certainly takes shots like he's a top option.. Maybe they hit a homerun in the 2016 draft? maybe that homerun is a 2nd round SG? and they also hit a homerun in the 1st round?!? What I'm saying here in this last paragraph is that I do think they could pull this off with Hayward as the top #1½ option if the surrounding peices(sans Rudy) are all mostly dangerous options too. I'd rather have two legit #1 options though (on 4 year deals)
/endrant
When you get two big-time players that buy into the other being big-time, that's how it works. It's been a formula to win in the playoffs since at least the 70's..
Howeva -- it's quite understandable for anyone who had to watch Al Jefferson as the #1 option in Utah to want to play system/concept/team ball (or give it to whoever's hot on a given night), still someones gotta pull the trigger on the big shots, we all know if its Trey Burke, the Jazz will be light-work for a real playoff team..
In the Playoffs the opposition will know the Jazz personnel much better, there's gotta be someone everyone trusts on the team to throw it to when **** gets tough, who can get results, or games on the road with early mishaps can get out of hand quickly, thats when 'team ball' unravels. Even that Detroit Pistons championship team had Rip Hamilton to run those curls whenever they needed. They also had 4 all-stars, and by-far the best defense in the league..
The Jazz could aspire to land 2 #1 options, and a top-5 defense that's what the upgrade would be.. that should be the aim for any franchise IMO. So if they could do something like flip Hayward for a top pick in the draft like Jamal Murray, who can play and shoot the lights out at PG or SG(potential #1 option?), then somehow use the rest of Haywards salary coming off the books to find another near #1 option... Obviously two is better than one, and obviously the time to cash in on Hayward's trade value could be limited.. These scenarios are quite risky, obviously there's considerable upside though -- IMO(If everything goes according to plan).
Theoretically Hayward would be an outstanding #2 option, i'd even classify him as a 1½. He's also a plus defensively(vs the lower tier SF's), which certainly factors into his trade value, there's some top options that aren't plus defenders at-all..
Another interesting option for the Jazz is to try to go after like 6 #1½ type options.. and share the rock. That might be a way to win if the defense is top-notch. Right now they've got Hayward and Favors as 1½ options, Burks and Hood are certainly trending in that direction, maybe they think Lyles can develop into a top option eventually? Trey Burke certainly takes shots like he's a top option.. Maybe they hit a homerun in the 2016 draft? maybe that homerun is a 2nd round SG? and they also hit a homerun in the 1st round?!? What I'm saying here in this last paragraph is that I do think they could pull this off with Hayward as the top #1½ option if the surrounding peices(sans Rudy) are all mostly dangerous options too. I'd rather have two legit #1 options though (on 4 year deals)
/endrant
Jazz4ever
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That doesn't work because those 1 ½ guys end up getting max contracts in the NBA. Obviously the Jazz hoped Burks could become that guy, it was a calculated gamble not signing anyone this off season. Burks has not delivered so far. While he's at a career high 18.9 points/36, his TS% is at a near career low. Hood could still be that guy if he finds his three point shot.
Good call. Hood will be a all star if he shoots 45% threes.
I haven't given up on Hood becoming an all star. I freaking love his game when he's on.
Game6Conley
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True but the the trick is to find rookie gems and to lock player with considerable upside into roleplayer deals, and also to win when everythings aligned!
Steph Curry got the contract of a 1.5 option, not a #1 and look at how thats worked for the Warriors..
6 is too much. but I like to shoot for the stars, it'd be nice to have a few near #1 options ready, and have a few in development -- thats my point. What the hell is drafting BPA all about if you don't think they have high potential???
Point is you can win like that sharing the rock, look at the 82-83 76ers, they split up the scoring between an aging Dr. J, Andrew Toney and Moses Malone, won 65 games and the chip.