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Well, no La Jolla, anyway. . . or Imperial Beach, for that matter. . . . and definitely not the big red-roofed hotel on the beach at the other end of that arched bridge. Why? you from there?

Not from San Diego, very familiar with the area though. Love the place. I just figured you were an East San Diego guy because I've seen you talking about living on a ranch or whatever a few times so I figured if that was also your living situation while you lived in San Diego, it would have been likely on the East side where you could pick up some acreage. But I just noticed you said "old haunt" which doesn't even necessarily mean you lived there at all. But yeah, East San Diego sucks anyway.....so I'm glad you didn't say that.
 
Not from San Diego, very familiar with the area though. Love the place. I just figured you were an East San Diego guy because I've seen you talking about living on a ranch or whatever a few times so I figured if that was also your living situation while you lived in San Diego, it would have been likely on the East side where you could pick up some acreage. But I just noticed you said "old haunt" which doesn't even necessarily mean you lived there at all. But yeah, East San Diego sucks anyway.....so I'm glad you didn't say that.

The reservations and the ghetto-like rural ambiance. . . . ahhhh. . . .the little Christian churches with their Easter pageants, camels and all. . . .but you're right. . . there's no place like El Cajon. I wouldn't mind Poway though. perfect mix of all sorts of people around the lakes.
 
California Dreamin'

I've made a few trips to SoCal lately. The last two starting out in snow, and the last one coming back in snow, too. Boy, even on a rainy day, 60 degrees is cool. Last night, going over a mountain pass I almost had to get the chains outta their box. But actually the most danger I've been in on the roads was rain. Who knows, mightta been an almost tornado. Lots of wind, big rigs off the road, one flooded underpass, and debris all over the road. I'm having a hard time seeing a good day for driving right now.
 
El Nino rolls on SoCal

Another round of storms, several inches of rain, flooded freeways, debris slide (mud) onto roads.
 
Really weird weather pattern recently all around the world... makes you wonder what it's gonna be like in another 50 years' time...
 
Public Lands vs. King's Forest

So kiddies.

The war on private property began right after the Civil War.

Did you know that before that time, there was absolutely no concept in America about reserving land. It was all presumed to be up for grabs. That's why there is absolutely no provision in the Constitution for the Federal Government to be a landlord, or a wilderness protector, or an environmental manager. People wanted their own land, and no American would have gone for those ideas back then.

The British, however, had made treaties with the Indians regarding keeping settlers outta the Ohio Valley. During the Revolutionary War, many Indian Tribes sided with the British and made war on the colonists/rebels. For this they would be severely treated after the American rebels won the war, and England made little provision for helping their former allies. In settling with the American rebels, they ceded the indian treaty lands to the Americans, making virtually no argument for the rights of their allies.

So the Indians were relocated in large measure to make room for settlers east of the Mississippi. The Cherokee Trail of Tears was part of that whole thing.

A swath of land just north of Texas was "given" to the relocated Indians. After the Civil War, the US Govt gave financial incentives to kill the Buffalo. . . free guns, lots of ammo, to anyone who said they would shoot Buffalo. There was no argument about reducing herd size to maintain a sustainable level of Buffalo roaming the prairies. It was necessary to kill those Buffalo to bring the Plains Indians to their knees, and put them under govt control on little reservations. . . . so the rest of the land could be given to the railroads, to the mining interests, and to settlers.

Stupid laws were passed that met political needs for getting votes for re-election. Open range laws allowing cattlemen to graze the land, and conflicting Homestead laws allowing farmers to settle and prove-up on claims to land enough for a farm. Led to quite a few incidents of violence.

Then Adam Clayton Powell, a scientist with British connections, did a little boat ride down the Colorado and came back telling the Eastern elites that the western deserts would not be satisfactory for homestead. He was a "King's Forest" philosopher, and wanted to get the govt. into the management business. No Constitutional authority existed. It was expected by all the territorial governments that upon Statehood, the States would acquire title to the land, and people could come and settle on it under state law.

Later in the nineteenth century, with more British elite influence, we imported the King's Forester from India to come manage our forests, starting the National Forest Service. No Constitutional authority existed, or was ever sought, for organizing this kind of Federal management of State and territorial lands. The BLM, similarly, has no Constitutional authority. Under the Constitution, the Federal government was given specific delegated powers, and all others not specifically delegated, were reserved to the States.

Under that Constitution, the Federal Government can own no lands. They belong to the States, or to the Territories.

Under the Constitution, the Federal Government has no power to regulate or manage "Indian Reservations". But the ignorant Indians, seeing the Federal calvary around their camps. signed treaties. Many ratified later by Congress, but by a Congress that had no Constitutional authority to create little socialist colonies managed by the Federal government under the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

So,anyway, there needs to be some changes in the system we have. The idea of Federal management has always been a bad idea. It was a bad idea when the Feds were killing all the buffalo on the plains and creating socialist colonies dependent upon Federal doles and with Federal management for native Americans. The Indians were for many years not able to vote, having no US citizenship, but being deemed subjects of the BIA. It was a bad idea when the Feds turned the screws against giving title of the lands to the States, as required by the Statehood acts passed by Congress.

The argument that local political wheels will grab the lands if the States get them is a good one. The argument that major corporates. . . . oil interests, mining interests, power facilities. . . think solar, wind, hydro. . ., and land developers with financial leverage to lobby the likes of Harry Reid. . . will grab the land if the Feds keep them, is a better argument.

Few of you understand how the Federal policies for the last hundred years have been squeezing people off the land, a sort of roundup of the West, concentrating the human cattle into a few major urban centers.

Few of you have seen the maps of the plans for the land, for creating corridors of wilderness across the whole country, even in the East. UN level global plans. To do these things, it is necessary to impoverish the American people, and make it impossible to survive financially or logistically, outside of the urban centers with the Federal govt. handouts to sustain "life".

This is all mega craziness, but it's where we are going, because we have a mega crazy Federal govt. with too much power, and with all the right people making the plans. The "right people" with financial support from an international corporate elite set of "progressives".

Divide the people. Put out a bunch of rabble rousers to bang the pots and pans and make a ruckus. Give money to little retail "change agent" causes, on both sides of every issue, and do a continual media assault on the public mind, create problems and disputes, and use them to justify more Federal power.

Gotta be hundreds of people out there trying to stir us up to some kind of stupidity.

And, imo, the Bundy tribe has just the kind of stupids that it takes.

There is nothing wrong with local govt. . . . city, county, state, having zoning ordinances which regulate open lands, or land management professionals hired to take care of the environment. Under the original constitution, they have the right. People ought to do it. Nothing wrong with States having parks. The National Park system should be turned over to the States. A goodly interested public should demand all the care in management that it takes.

There is nothing wrong with states having state forests, or other state lands. That is their Constitutional prerogative. And there is nothing wrong with enough local folks interested in it all that, say, a Ken Ivory can't insinuate himself into the public decisions and reap a nice batch of development parcels. We oughtta be outraged at such things.

But what can we do about things if the Federal level is the landlord? We have no voice in our immediate State situation.
 
The lie in global warming extremism is seen in simple plots of our ice age cycles. Interglacial "warm" spells are short, with steep changes on either side, to the down side by about 8C. We have been on a typical warm "high", and even with the last 150 years, we have not gone out of the "normal" range for interglacial warm spells. There is something out there in the nature of things that is more powerful than our combustion of fossil fuels. We should save our fuels for when we really need them, doe.
 
The lie in global warming extremism is seen in simple plots of our ice age cycles. Interglacial "warm" spells are short, with steep changes on either side, to the down side by about 8C. We have been on a typical warm "high", and even with the last 150 years, we have not gone out of the "normal" range for interglacial warm spells. There is something out there in the nature of things that is more powerful than our combustion of fossil fuels. We should save our fuels for when we really need them, doe.

So... this graph is not accurate?

CO2Graph-1199x942.jpg
 
I think it's a damn lie.

You know, the kind that is based on bad data. How many thumbs it takes to get the measurements you want, or how many other research reports you have to ignore. Well, some say statistics are worse than damn lies. Maybe I should just go with that.

According to other reports I've looked at, the equation correlating CO2 levels with ambient air temps suffer from significant omissions of significant factors, and are off by a factor of ten in purely theoretical physical thermodynamic terms, in recent govt.-sponsored reports supporting global warming extremists/alarmists.

The oceanic ambient concentrations of CO2 are determined by temperature. Colder water will hold more CO2, and the process of freezing ocean water will produce a higher figure for CO2. Ice that is formed from water vapor freezing in the atmosphere will reflect atmospheric levels of CO2. . . . and atmospheric factors as well. altitude. . . velocities affecting rates of freezing, whatever there is. Sometimes scientists ignore stuff deemed insignificant. Sometimes later on, other scientists try to do better, and look at other things.

On a much longer time scale than the ice-age--riddled past few million years, CO2 levels were higher. In the 1 billion year range, CO2 levels were "astronomical", and we had polar rain forests and lots of trees all over the earth.

Most of the "alarm" about climate change is projections of stuff that has happened before somewhere in earth history.

Of course if you pick a reference period that is properly constrained not to show that CO2 levels have been, inside a few million years, twice what we have achieved in the twentyfirst century, you can make a line like that and scare people. But you are buying into the lie.

But if anyone is interested in real science, it would perhaps be worthwhile to look at all the studies that have been done, and maybe consider the tools, equipment, methods, and biases of the researchers. . . the reasoning they have followed in producing their study. . . . lots of stuff like that. It's premature to elevate science to the status of absolute fact, and today after we have had corrupt government officials and politicians following a sort of fashion of thought deliberately funding biased science, science has sunk to a modern nadir, I hope, because I'd hate to see science get pushed much further by political hacks.
 
So, what's the source of your graph, or are you just a free-hand sketch artist?

I believe it's the same graph that was shown on the "Inconvenient Truth" documentary presented by Al Gore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JIuKjaY3r4
 
Here's a recent report published in PNAS, one of the more highly-esteemed journals:

The last 500 million years of the strontium-isotope record are shown to correlate significantly with the concurrent record of isotopic fractionation between inorganic and organic carbon after the effects of recycled sediment are removed from the strontium signal. The correlation is shown to result from the common dependence of both signals on weathering and magmatic processes. Because the long-term evolution of carbon dioxide levels depends similarly on weathering and magmatism, the relative fluctuations of CO2 levels are inferred from the shared fluctuations of the isotopic records. The resulting CO2 signal exhibits no systematic correspondence with the geologic record of climatic variations at tectonic time scales.

https://www.pnas.org/content/99/7/4167.full

According to this study, processes like volcanism, erosion, tectonic movements appear to be primary determinants of "natural" atmospheric CO2 levels during the past 500M years, and there appears to be no systematic effect either causing climate or resulting from climate changes.
 
Here's some more recent studies, this from Yale:

https://people.earth.yale.edu/cenozoic-evolution-carbon-dioxide

and suggest that CO2 levels were highest during a period of global warmth associated with the Middle Miocene Climatic Optimum (17–14 million years ago, Ma), followed by a decline in CO2 during the Middle Miocene Climate Transition (approx. 14 Ma).

The CO2 levels were double what we have now.

And yet somehow, earth cooled off after that, and we started having ice ages. Something happened to the CO2, later, but it was not the driver of the climate change. The scientists are speculating on what happened. Oh, so colder water can hold a lot more CO2. Could it really be that simple? Your pop in the fridge, then in the sunlight, see the fizz.

But that is contradicted by the report just above. CO2 levels correlate better with magmatism, erosion, and earthwide plate tectonic phenomena. And, from my own thinking, sequestration processes like depositon of carbonate rock in warm seas.
 
The simplest explanation might be seductve conveniences for the simplest minds.

There is, however,no reason to believe that we can maintain or sustain any optimum in earth climate or atmospheric composition.

The earth is a little gravitational vacuum cleaner sweeping through space, sucking in whatever we encounter, mostly hydrogen gas, charged particles ejected from the sun, bits of dust, some rocks.

Most of our gross earth chemical processes are not simply cyclical. The so-called carbon cycle includes a huge mostly irreversible carbon sink in the form of undersea carbonate rock thousands of feet thick in places.
The oceans have a lot of absorbed gas, and there is some rock sometimes dissolved by acid. The major liberator of carbon dioxide is volcanism, so it makes complete sense that magmatism or volcanism is a real factor, and that our fossil fuels are short term and an order or two less significant.

Very long term the earth is cooling and we will have lower carbon dioxide, and there is nothing we can do about it.
 
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Babe I would love your take on the Illuminati and the Freemasons and the New World Order? Do you know anything about those? How much weight do you put on those conspiracy theories?
 
Babe I would love your take on the Illuminati and the Freemasons and the New World Order? Do you know anything about those? How much weight do you put on those conspiracy theories?

People have been having dirty little secret societies for meillenia no doubt in every corner of the earth. "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" was a way of life when we were swinging from the trees.

Nothing much "conspiracy theory" about the United Nations or a lot of people wanting to streamline the world for better commerce on advantages terms to those involved in the planning. You can google all that, and it's right out there in black and white. The CFR has a web page, and on request they even sent me a booklet describing all their activities. I don't know if the Freemasons have more clout nowadays than the Rotary or Lions' clubs.

The Illuminati actually have existed in their own minds for hundreds of years, but like all closed little clubs they depend for effectiveness on securing the agreement and cooperation of others in their schemes. I might think they're just insane nutjobs, really.

I think you're a little green in your political maturity, just too susceptible to propaganda of any kind.

I actually believe in broad principles that have proven to be helpful to the general populace historically. Having a limited government with defined human rights was a good thing for democracy and for the American constitutional republic. Democracy fails when government becomes too big and too powerful because it degenerates into fascism or oligarchy because the rich or super-smart can turn it all to their benefit. I like the way free markets work where there is no monopoly established that can reduce production and raise prices with impunity.
 
More importantly, babe, who killed Kennedy?

I don't know. I wasn't there. Pretty sure it wasn't me.

Kennedy was a drugged-up Pres on meth and pain killers, and the Kremlin had sources within his smallest circle of friends, but he had high ideals politically in favor of the little folk. He was a threat to the bankers and the whole "the way things are" crowd. He might not have gone deeper in the Viet Nam thing, but he showed courage on the nukes, and betrayed the Cubans in the Bay of Pigs. Too high, and too much into Marilyn Monroe, and the like, really. His back hurt him a lot. He was all for a huge program for bringing water to the West from the Arctic, NAWAPA. My kind of progressive in a lot of ways.

For sure there are some big people who wanted him dead. Pretty sure the story we read in the history isn't the real story. LBJ might have known. If he did, he didn't really tell.
 
People have been having dirty little secret societies for meillenia no doubt in every corner of the earth. "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" was a way of life when we were swinging from the trees.

Nothing much "conspiracy theory" about the United Nations or a lot of people wanting to streamline the world for better commerce on advantages terms to those involved in the planning. You can google all that, and it's right out there in black and white. The CFR has a web page, and on request they even sent me a booklet describing all their activities. I don't know if the Freemasons have more clout nowadays than the Rotary or Lions' clubs.

The Illuminati actually have existed in their own minds for hundreds of years, but like all closed little clubs they depend for effectiveness on securing the agreement and cooperation of others in their schemes. I might think they're just insane nutjobs, really.

I think you're a little green in your political maturity, just too susceptible to propaganda of any kind.

I actually believe in broad principles that have proven to be helpful to the general populace historically. Having a limited government with defined human rights was a good thing for democracy and for the American constitutional republic. Democracy fails when government becomes too big and too powerful because it degenerates into fascism or oligarchy because the rich or super-smart can turn it all to their benefit. I like the way free markets work where there is no monopoly established that can reduce production and raise prices with impunity.

How about 9/11? Do you think it was staged?
 
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