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Trey Lyles Career-High 19pts --- Highlights!!!

Some of those highlights were extremely impressive. I still have concerns over his long-term defensive potential but as a 3rd big, he looks like the perfect compliment to a Favors/Gobert frontcourt. His handle, shot, passing, & bball iq are very impressive considering his age. As long as people keep in mind the fact that he was drafted to be a role player rather than a star, I don't see how we will be disappointed with the type of player he develops into.
 
karl malone said:
Some of those highlights were extremely impressive. I still have concerns over his long-term defensive potential but as a 3rd big, he looks like the perfect compliment to a Favors/Gobert frontcourt. His handle, shot, passing, & bball iq are very impressive considering his age. As long as people keep in mind the fact that he was drafted to be a role player rather than a star, I don't see how we will be disappointed with the type of player he develops into.
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What I was thinking. He has his limitations but if he can maintaint hat shooting and effort. he will be a good back up PF.
 
Stoked said:
What I was thinking. He has his limitations but if he can maintaint hat shooting and effort. he will be a good back up PF.
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You said he was gonna be really good. Now he will just be a good back up?

Get. Your. Story. Straight.
 
Hack said:
Woopty Doo!!

He actually looked decent for once. It was against the worst defense in the league.

I've never said he's a bust. I've just said his ceiling isn't high enough. He will be at best as good as Hayward. Like Dr Jones said, he doesn't project to be a good defender. Everyone wants to be like Golden State and run a point forward out there, but Lyles will never be a defender like Draymond. So we are gonna get something less than Draymond, and we won't get the same type of results.

Funny how everyone is so excited about Lyles. In 5 years there will be Lyles trade threads because he won't be good enough to make us contenders. That's the point. We just keep drafting average players.
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There may be a bunch of trade threads but they would be born of ignorance. The 12 pick in the generally doesn't have a very high ceiling. So if you are relying on picks like Burks, Burke and Hayward (9-14) you have a poor chance of winning it all. The Jazz are/should be hoping that Exum and Favors become the best players on the team.
 
karl malone said:
Some of those highlights were extremely impressive. I still have concerns over his long-term defensive potential but as a 3rd big, he looks like the perfect compliment to a Favors/Gobert frontcourt. His handle, shot, passing, & bball iq are very impressive considering his age. As long as people keep in mind the fact that he was drafted to be a role player rather than a star, I don't see how we will be disappointed with the type of player he develops into.
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So when are we going to draft players who can be stars or at least top-tier starters? DL is never going to find a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler? His job is to take guys who project as role players even when he has a decent pick? Burke and Lyles are failures for where they were drafted. Jazz have a nice team; they'll compete for a 5th-8th seed every season if this is DL's strategy.
 
Stifle Tower said:
So when are we going to draft players who can be stars or at least top-tier starters? DL is never going to find a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler? His job is to take guys who project as role players even when he has a decent pick? Burke and Lyles are failures for where they were drafted. Jazz have a nice team; they'll compete for a 5th-8th seed every season if this is DL's strategy.
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So thirty something games into his career and it's a failed career? U do realize the Jazz drafted Stockton, just two picks later to be a backup pg, right? Of course he's not going to be Dray or Butler, but we are seeing that he has advanced floor skills as a big, he's going to make his teammates better, he's also shown he's going to be anything but a failure. Also, I wasn't aware that it was common place to find a star with the 14th pick. What's wrong with building a complete team? Also I've changed my tune on Burke, he's not perfect, but he's been a lot better this year then I ever thought possible, and he's going to be better next year. He's a nice player to have come off the bench.

So, the Jazz are just starting to develop a bench. Burke and Burks can score as well as any bench player in the league, Lyles could turn out to be our Ryan Anderson off the bench and as I like to call Whithy, our mini Gobert, and our bench is only going to get deeper over the next two years.

We have Gobert Favers Hayward and hood as our main core that will lead this team, and have every confidence Exum will join this core. This is going to be an amazing starting five... They are going to reck this league. It's seems as though the Jazz are trying to model themselves after the Spurs who are the deepest team in the league. Then also look at GS they are the second deepest team in the league. Those are the two best in the league.

I see nothing wrong with drafting a guy u think will fit the team and make your bench that much stronger, and with that in mind there's no reason Lyles can't grow to be something more then a really good bench player. Dray looked nothing more then a role player his first couple years, also see Buttler, he wasn't anything special his first few years. Stop judging How Lyles career is going to go after 30 games for hell sakes. Look at how the Pelicans judged Whithy after two years of low inconsistent minutes, and now he's a very good contributing player off our bench. How about giving Lyles a chance before calling him a failure.
 
Draymond Green was a 4 year college player, he's 6'6" and change without shoes. He turns 26 in a few months, after his 4th season, he's actually older than Hayward. ..

Green's a terrible comparison for most players, because of just how well-rounded/battle-tested his game is.. Green's easily one of the best 2nd round picks ever, it's a steep comparison. That comparison is quickly becoming the new Shaun Livingston comparison, maybe even worse.

There's one player in HS, a Canadian, Justin Jackson who's headed to UNLV, who i'd compare his skillset to Draymond Green, he's a 6'7" Point forward with a 7'2" wingspan though, and his timeline will be much different, Justin Jackson isn't going to need 4 years of college to build up 2nd round hype..

To compare him to a prototype sized PF like Lyles, who was a one-and-done just doesn't work for me. Lyles will just be 23 at the end of his rookie deal, Draymond Green was 23 at the end of his rookie season.. I'm weary about comparing players on such different timelines, there's a massive unaccounted gap in experience..
 
Stifle Tower said:
So when are we going to draft players who can be stars or at least top-tier starters? DL is never going to find a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler? His job is to take guys who project as role players even when he has a decent pick? Burke and Lyles are failures for where they were drafted. Jazz have a nice team; they'll compete for a 5th-8th seed every season if this is DL's strategy.
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Jesus. The only slots a team can reasonably expect stardom is in the top 3. **** drops off pretty quickly after that, historically. Also, draft class is a huge consideration that no teams control. Burke is a failed pick because of what it cost to acquire him, but the only star that comes to mind picked after Burke is Rudy Gobert (Giannis is quite overrated), so chill the **** out a bit. As far as Lyles, do you have some ****ing crystal ball? Jimmy Butler was glued to the bench for most of his rookie season, and Draymond Green was little more than a cheap-shot artist his first year. Furthermore, who were the Jazz supposed to select at 12? The Jazz got hosed with how the draft played out to that point, and while I would've selected Bobby Portis or Kelly Oubre (in the order), Lyles is looking pretty damn good right now.

You'd be making a much better point if you were ranting about the return on the sole season of tanking in this franchise's history (including letting all-stars walk for absolutely nothing) in Dante Exum. While the injury is unfair grounds to criticize, it IS a reality, but in fairness and more to the point, he was simply not that good last year. Not bad enough to wholly discount, but he didn't show enough for everyone to expect stardom from him either.
 
Stifle Tower you need to stfu. The Jazz are great at drafting. The players they draft aren't too bad and they aren't too good. They are just right. The Jazz are the Goldy Locks of drafting.
 
PG_AB said:
Draymond Green was a 4 year college player, he's 6'6" and change without shoes. He turns 26 in a few months, after his 4th season, he's actually older than Hayward. ..

Green's a terrible comparison for most players, because of just how well-rounded/battle-tested his game is.. Green's easily one of the best 2nd round picks ever, it's a steep comparison. That comparison is quickly becoming the new Shaun Livingston comparison, maybe even worse.

There's one player in HS, a Canadian, Justin Jackson who's headed to UNLV, who i'd compare his skillset to Draymond Green, he's a 6'7" Point forward with a 7'2" wingspan though, and his timeline will be much different, Justin Jackson isn't going to need 4 years of college to build up 2nd round hype..

To compare him to a prototype sized PF like Lyles, who was a one-and-done just doesn't work for me. Lyles will just be 23 at the end of his rookie deal, Draymond Green was 23 at the end of his rookie season.. I'm weary about comparing players on such different timelines, there's a massive unaccounted gap in experience..
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Let's just draft Nigel Hayes this year.
 
Stifle Tower said:
So when are we going to draft players who can be stars or at least top-tier starters? DL is never going to find a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler? His job is to take guys who project as role players even when he has a decent pick? Burke and Lyles are failures for where they were drafted. Jazz have a nice team; they'll compete for a 5th-8th seed every season if this is DL's strategy.
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I don't disagree with the fact that this team needs a star (preferably an offensive minded one), but there was a slim chance of that happening with last year's draft pick (considering draft position & available talent) so DL chose a complimentary piece due to his confidence in the rest of the roster (imo). I also agree that we are currently on path to be a perennial playoff team that is never quite a true championship contender.

Personally, I would like to see the team condense some of our assets that aren't Favors or Gobert in order to acquire that top 5 pick who could turn into that missing star player. But you have to work with what you're given & looking solely at the pick, Lyles looks like a good selection at this point (although it is way too early to determine that). It's funny that you're complaining about DL not finding a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler when he acquired Gobert for a 2nd round pick + cash.
 
I consider(ed) Lyles a swing-for-the-fences pick, BTW. The talent and size is there, but he did not have a great freshman season and whether he had the fire/focus/3-ball was a question before and during his time at UK.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I consider(ed) Lyles a swing-for-the-fences pick, BTW. The talent and size is there, but he did not have a great freshman season and whether he had the fire/focus/3-ball was a question before and during his time at UK.
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Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
 
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