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Trey Lyles Career-High 19pts --- Highlights!!!

Stifle Tower said:
So when are we going to draft players who can be stars or at least top-tier starters? DL is never going to find a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler? His job is to take guys who project as role players even when he has a decent pick? Burke and Lyles are failures for where they were drafted. Jazz have a nice team; they'll compete for a 5th-8th seed every season if this is DL's strategy.
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I don't disagree with the fact that this team needs a star (preferably an offensive minded one), but there was a slim chance of that happening with last year's draft pick (considering draft position & available talent) so DL chose a complimentary piece due to his confidence in the rest of the roster (imo). I also agree that we are currently on path to be a perennial playoff team that is never quite a true championship contender.

Personally, I would like to see the team condense some of our assets that aren't Favors or Gobert in order to acquire that top 5 pick who could turn into that missing star player. But you have to work with what you're given & looking solely at the pick, Lyles looks like a good selection at this point (although it is way too early to determine that). It's funny that you're complaining about DL not finding a Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler when he acquired Gobert for a 2nd round pick + cash.
 
I consider(ed) Lyles a swing-for-the-fences pick, BTW. The talent and size is there, but he did not have a great freshman season and whether he had the fire/focus/3-ball was a question before and during his time at UK.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I consider(ed) Lyles a swing-for-the-fences pick, BTW. The talent and size is there, but he did not have a great freshman season and whether he had the fire/focus/3-ball was a question before and during his time at UK.
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Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
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Right, but at the same time, one could reasonably hope that in that scenario and with such (supposed) talent, he would've been a better floor-spreader. But of course, that's also a lot to ask. I didn't like Lyles, I didn't believe in him, but I think he was one of the most interesting prospects in last years draft because of everything to consider. I understood Locke ranting about his upside, but I took the position that Lyles was too big of a weenie. I hope and think I was wrong.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
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Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
 
Hack said:
Woopty Doo!!

He actually looked decent for once. It was against the worst defense in the league.

I've never said he's a bust. I've just said his ceiling isn't high enough. He will be at best as good as Hayward. Like Dr Jones said, he doesn't project to be a good defender. Everyone wants to be like Golden State and run a point forward out there, but Lyles will never be a defender like Draymond. So we are gonna get something less than Draymond, and we won't get the same type of results.

Funny how everyone is so excited about Lyles. In 5 years there will be Lyles trade threads because he won't be good enough to make us contenders. That's the point. We just keep drafting average players.
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And when was Draymond projected to be a good defender? From DX:

Still, Green's lack of a true position, uninspiring athleticism, and average lateral quickness was a problem, which is why it was “tough to project him as an adequate NBA defender.” This helps describe why he wasn't a lottery pick, but it doesn't explain why he was only projected as a late-first or early-second round selection.
 
this set of (painful) debates about Lyles being drafted at 12 and hence destined for being a role player is nonsense. A few summary things:
1 draft position and stardom are correlated but not perfectly as has been noted
2. His time at Kentucky is not representative of his talent. And so lyles is an upside pick for the Jazz rather than a conservative one. Also noted in thread.
3.. His showing in the nba over recent weeks, and last two games showed me he's capable of more than just a role player
4. There is a huge sample of players who've proven with good work ethic, added to what lyles has already, shown can be respectable starters and even alstars (p milsap).

If the poster who noted somewhere in these lyles threads that lyles is studious and focused is true, then I project Lyle to be a high value starter in his prime years.
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And I forgot to add that he must be a great chemistry guy because his cheering from the bench is allstar caliber.
 
karl malone said:
Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
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I watched him a ton in HS, too, so I will answer best I can based on then til now.

In HS he was a very offensively gifted player, slow on defense. At UK it wasn't his handles that seems to have improved as much as his IQ/court vision.
I guess what I'm saying is if there is one thing he seems to make consistent strides in is bbIQ, knowing where to be on the court, knowing where the gaps are in the defense, and being a very willing passer.
I couldn't honestly say how much he improved his SF type skills at UK because he just didn't play enough minutes to gauge.
 
Young Boris Diaw could be the key to us winning a championship someday.

The problem is, we still need a championship caliber PG, 3 pt bomber, and go to scorer.
 
karl malone said:
Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
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He had those skills before he left Canada, he's a natural. Trey was the best HS player in Indiana and an obvious 5-star prospect because of them, his stats senior year, when he won the title of Mr. Baksetball and the state title were - 23.7ppg, 12.9reb, 3.5 asts.

Watch this video, some of the stuff looks similar to the highlights in the OP.. His game has some elements where it works with him at the 3 in college, with his feel for the game and WCS and Towns behind him, you can certainly get away with it.

I used to say there was a minor element of Carmelo Anthony to his game, when he faces up. Thats one of the main reasons I always thought he was going to be a lottery pick early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u8PytJe-ek

0:38
 
When will Trey start bringing the ball down the court off rebounds? That is what I'm excited to see him add to his game.
 
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