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Trey Lyles Career-High 19pts --- Highlights!!!

Dr. Jones said:
Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
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Right, but at the same time, one could reasonably hope that in that scenario and with such (supposed) talent, he would've been a better floor-spreader. But of course, that's also a lot to ask. I didn't like Lyles, I didn't believe in him, but I think he was one of the most interesting prospects in last years draft because of everything to consider. I understood Locke ranting about his upside, but I took the position that Lyles was too big of a weenie. I hope and think I was wrong.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Yes, this is true. We felt the same way while he was at UK. Only thing I will add is Lyles not only played out of position, for the most part, but also was buried on maybe the deepest team in cbb history so his floortime was inconsistent. I'm sure you already know that, just sharing for those that may not.
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Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
 
Hack said:
Woopty Doo!!

He actually looked decent for once. It was against the worst defense in the league.

I've never said he's a bust. I've just said his ceiling isn't high enough. He will be at best as good as Hayward. Like Dr Jones said, he doesn't project to be a good defender. Everyone wants to be like Golden State and run a point forward out there, but Lyles will never be a defender like Draymond. So we are gonna get something less than Draymond, and we won't get the same type of results.

Funny how everyone is so excited about Lyles. In 5 years there will be Lyles trade threads because he won't be good enough to make us contenders. That's the point. We just keep drafting average players.
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And when was Draymond projected to be a good defender? From DX:

Still, Green's lack of a true position, uninspiring athleticism, and average lateral quickness was a problem, which is why it was “tough to project him as an adequate NBA defender.” This helps describe why he wasn't a lottery pick, but it doesn't explain why he was only projected as a late-first or early-second round selection.
 
this set of (painful) debates about Lyles being drafted at 12 and hence destined for being a role player is nonsense. A few summary things:
1 draft position and stardom are correlated but not perfectly as has been noted
2. His time at Kentucky is not representative of his talent. And so lyles is an upside pick for the Jazz rather than a conservative one. Also noted in thread.
3.. His showing in the nba over recent weeks, and last two games showed me he's capable of more than just a role player
4. There is a huge sample of players who've proven with good work ethic, added to what lyles has already, shown can be respectable starters and even alstars (p milsap).

If the poster who noted somewhere in these lyles threads that lyles is studious and focused is true, then I project Lyle to be a high value starter in his prime years.
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And I forgot to add that he must be a great chemistry guy because his cheering from the bench is allstar caliber.
 
karl malone said:
Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
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I watched him a ton in HS, too, so I will answer best I can based on then til now.

In HS he was a very offensively gifted player, slow on defense. At UK it wasn't his handles that seems to have improved as much as his IQ/court vision.
I guess what I'm saying is if there is one thing he seems to make consistent strides in is bbIQ, knowing where to be on the court, knowing where the gaps are in the defense, and being a very willing passer.
I couldn't honestly say how much he improved his SF type skills at UK because he just didn't play enough minutes to gauge.
 
Young Boris Diaw could be the key to us winning a championship someday.

The problem is, we still need a championship caliber PG, 3 pt bomber, and go to scorer.
 
karl malone said:
Just curious. As someone who saw his development from the beginning of the season to the end, how much did playing out of position contribute to his advanced handles, passing, shooting, etc for a PF? Or did he arrive on campus with that skill-set from the beginning?
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He had those skills before he left Canada, he's a natural. Trey was the best HS player in Indiana and an obvious 5-star prospect because of them, his stats senior year, when he won the title of Mr. Baksetball and the state title were - 23.7ppg, 12.9reb, 3.5 asts.

Watch this video, some of the stuff looks similar to the highlights in the OP.. His game has some elements where it works with him at the 3 in college, with his feel for the game and WCS and Towns behind him, you can certainly get away with it.

I used to say there was a minor element of Carmelo Anthony to his game, when he faces up. Thats one of the main reasons I always thought he was going to be a lottery pick early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u8PytJe-ek

0:38
 
When will Trey start bringing the ball down the court off rebounds? That is what I'm excited to see him add to his game.
 
Hack said:
Stifle Tower you need to stfu. The Jazz are great at drafting. The players they draft aren't too bad and they aren't too good. They are just right. The Jazz are the Goldy Locks of drafting.
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And you're the **** stain of posting.
 
Lyles just knows how to play--timing, control, IQ, playing in the flow. He's got all the intangibles that Kanter doesn't have.

At 1:16, he makes a pump-fake at the 3-pt line, then drives in and hits a running floater from 8-feet. It's rare for a 6'10" guy to make that move.
 
Catchall said:
Lyles just knows how to play--timing, control, IQ, playing in the flow. He's got all the intangibles that Kanter doesn't have.

At 1:16, he makes a pump-fake at the 3-pt line, then drives in and hits a running floater from 8-feet. It's rare for a 6'10" guy to make that move.
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This is actually important. When playing with someone that gets it it really helps the team. Trevor is fine but he does some weird **** sometimes. It'd be hard to play with someone like that. Lyles seems to get it is a ball mover... Now that he is looking for and taking shots he's looked great.

Side note... Some of the posters just want to dump on the team and the players... Why... Why even post or be a fan. Sure be critical sometimes but some of you guys seem to hate the team and players. Go root for the Warriors or something and be happy... End rant
 
King Cy said:
When will Trey start bringing the ball down the court off rebounds? That is what I'm excited to see him add to his game.
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Yep
 
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