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calijazz said:
Yet another case of unrealistic expectations from several posters in this thread. How people could still believe the Jazz should be getting a superstar in this draft are living in a fantasy. The draft is a frickin' crapshoot every season, even more so this season. Look at the recent 9th picks of the draft and you'll realize superstars or even a few times all-star just don't get picked as late as 9. 2009: Demar DeRozan, 2008: DJ Augustin, 2007: Joakim Noah, 2006: Patrick O'Bryant, 2005: Ike Diogu are the lastest #9 picks. Noah is the best player out of that group and he is just a solid starter. The depth in this draft just isn't there to expect a superstar to land at 9. If we get a solid starter out of the ninth pick we should be happy, because half the teams don't even get that out of the 9th pick. I realize that's hard to accept because this Knicks pick has been anticipated for years but it's reality. Deal with it.
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I think a lot of posters have realized this Cali. Which is why some of us wouldn't mind us to trade down. To me, it would be awesome if we could get two average players than one. But perhaps other teams realize this as well so that the #9 isn't all that attractive?
 
The Thriller said:
I think a lot of posters have realized this Cali. Which is why some of us wouldn't mind us to trade down. To me, it would be awesome if we could get two average players than one. But perhaps other teams realize this as well so that the #9 isn't all that attractive?
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So in other words, we should just give up. Why is that some teams are always able to find talent in the draft, no matter the position? Sure, every team has some misses. But some are much, much better at drafting than Utah has been. If I were the Millers, every person responsible for drafting our dogs over the past 15 years would be taken out and shot. Deron/CP3...that was a no brainer. But you'd think we could have at least found 1-2 starters from all our first round picks, even if we've been drafting in the late teens/early 20's.
 
There doesn't appear to be a player available at #9 that would be worth his contract. Trade down. Grab a giant or two later, like the Florida State center. Eventually one of the big guys will work out if you stockpile enough of them. Or use the pick to trade for Al Jefferson. Minnesota seems intent on moving him. Okur and the nine selection for Jefferson? Sounds good to me.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Question: Did the Jazz move up to #3 prior to the 2005 Draft? If not, were there strong indications of the Jazz moving up to #3 to draft Paul or Williams prior to the draft? Or did it come out of nowhere on draft night?
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I know there were a lot of jazz fans that were wanting it, but no word came out until draft day when it happened. I was totally expecting Williams, Paul, and Felton to be gone right before our pick.
 
My prediction

One third of the folks here will be outraged, one third will be thrilled, and the rest will be okay, but think KOC is a dud for not drafting their guy.

This will be the case no matter who the Jazz select.
 
GlassEater said:
So in other words, we should just give up. Why is that some teams are always able to find talent in the draft, no matter the position? Sure, every team has some misses. But some are much, much better at drafting than Utah has been. If I were the Millers, every person responsible for drafting our dogs over the past 15 years would be taken out and shot. Deron/CP3...that was a no brainer. But you'd think we could have at least found 1-2 starters from all our first round picks, even if we've been drafting in the late teens/early 20's.
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The Spurs are often acknowledged as one of the best talent evaluating front offices, right? Well, take a gander at their draft history. The worst part about it is they let Dragic, Scola, and Salmons get away after drafting them. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/draft.html
 
GlassEater said:
So in other words, we should just give up. Why is that some teams are always able to find talent in the draft, no matter the position? Sure, every team has some misses. But some are much, much better at drafting than Utah has been. If I were the Millers, every person responsible for drafting our dogs over the past 15 years would be taken out and shot. Deron/CP3...that was a no brainer. But you'd think we could have at least found 1-2 starters from all our first round picks, even if we've been drafting in the late teens/early 20's.
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Give up?

That's not at all what I was saying.
 
slc said:
Jazz always seem to wait till last minute to pull off a deal, whether its the draft or trade deadline. So Jazz may still have something up their sleeve tomorrow.
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Like remember when they drafted Ryan Humphrey and we were all at the DeltaCenter going, "who the F is that?" And then Kevin O'Connor totally redeemed the pick by trading it for Curtis Borchardt. And everyone at the DC just started dry humping each other out of sheer joy. Or when they traded the rights to Pavel Podkolzin to Dallas for a 2005 draft pick and we were all so pissed because Pavel was going to dominate the whole planet. Turns out the 2005 draft pick was packaged to get Deron Williams, but other than that, NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.
 
You never know what you are going to get with any draft pick. So I go into every draft with an open mind. With the 9th pick this year i look at previous 9th picks (last 15 years) and something good can come out of it.

97 - McGrady
98 - Nowitzki
99 - Marion
02 - Stoudemire
07 - Noah

I'm going to repeat what was said earlier, I'll give whomever they draft a chance before I criticize the pick.
 
pumpkyn said:
You never know what you are going to get with any draft pick. So I go into every draft with an open mind. With the 9th pick this year i look at previous 9th picks (last 15 years) and something good can come out of it.

97 - McGrady
98 - Nowitzki
99 - Marion
02 - Stoudemire
07 - Noah

I'm going to repeat what was said earlier, I'll give whomever they draft a chance before I criticize the pick.
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And i think the list is indicative of the craziness that was the 2000's where every European & HS kid had "upside" with no proven record. With the new "play one year" rule, and the infatuation of the Europeans worn off a bit, the sorting will be better and the top 10 will appear more like a top 10. So i like a 9 pick at this time.

Also, a quick glance, not scientific, look at the 5-10 picks over the past years compared to 10-15's and especially 15-20's and beyond it is MUCH better to have 1 pick 5-10 than it is to have 2 picks from later in draft. (of course the debate increases if the two picks are 11 & 12 compared to 16 & 19)

One of the commonly held rules of football applies - if you have 2 quarterbacks it really means you have no quarterback. Having the 9th pick and using it appears to me to be a better spent draft than trading down and getting two.
 
pumpkyn said:
97 - McGrady
98 - Nowitzki
99 - Marion
02 - Stoudemire
07 - Noah
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00 - Przybilla
01 - White
03 - Sweetney
04 - Iguodala
05 - Diogu
06 - O'Bryant
08 - Augustin
09 - DeRozan

Aim low, kids. Unless you're going for a weird last name. Then it looks pretty good.
 
It probably doesn't really matter who the Jazz draft. In December that guy will be packaged with Kirilenko and sent to a team that doesn't use its cap space this year for a conditional future second round pick.
 
Broncster said:
This is three years of standing pat coming to an end with this pick. I feel this pick and this off season will tell us a lot about our future. There are a lot of opportunities right now I hope we take advantage of something. If all we do this off season is draft some one at 9 like aldrich and let booze walk I will be very upset.
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Expect it.
 
YB85 said:
It probably doesn't really matter who the Jazz draft. In December that guy will be packaged with Kirilenko and sent to a team that doesn't use its cap space this year for a conditional future second round pick.
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Sad, but true.
 
God some of you are gaping vaginas.

I wish a good number of you depressed ****s would just hang yourself and get it over with.
 
Sean said:
God some of you are gaping vaginas.

I wish a good number of you depressed ****s would just hang yourself and get it over with.
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Dude I'm feelin' ya, I mean like this 9th pick is the worst thing ever to happen to the Jazz, stupid KOC having the audacity making the trade years ago to get. Don't even get started on the draft it is the worst in NBA history everybody outside the top 3-4 is compete suck unless the Jazz could get lucky and have a pick in the 20's instead of the 9th cause the talent in the 20's is obviously better.
 
I think part of the reason why people are so freaked out about this draft is they know we're going to lose Boozer, so it is going to be nearly impossible to replace him via the draft. So unless we pick up a suitable replacement in free agency or a capable backup for Millsap, the team might take a slight step backward for a year or two. But I honestly think the team is going to be just fine. I can just see why people are upset.
 
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