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[Stoked]

Read my other posts, please.

All I get is that you are playing the all or nothing game. Nothing is that simple of that cut and dry. Are there some racists that support Trump? Absolutely. Are there some non racists that support Trump? Absolutely.

Stop playing this all or nothing game. This comes from someone who will not support trump.

edit: Either way if that's your stance there is no sense in me continuing this convo as it's pointless. Have fun BP

 

[BabyPeterzz]

All I get is that you are playing the all or nothing game. Nothing is that simple of that cut and dry. Are there some racists that support Trump? Absolutely. Are there some non racists that support Trump? Absolutely.

Stop playing this all or nothing game. This comes from someone who will not support trump.

edit: Either way if that's your stance there is no sense in me continuing this convo as it's pointless. Have fun BP

Voting for Donald Trump is an all or nothing proposition in this country. If you don't think so, fine. Yes, I think it's pointless for you to engage me further in this convo.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I believe that liberal policies frequently produce results that are dramatically different from those they are purported to. I believe that some liberal politicians, Hillary being a perfect example, are more interested in pandering to earn votes from minorities than they are in actually fixing the underlying problems.

You completely sidestepped my question.

I didn't ask how effective the Dems are-- I asked you if the rights proposed policies are less discriminatory. What do you think Joe?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Here, we'll dumb this down. A decent chunk, in fact nearly 1/3 so far, of the Republican party support Trump. This includes, publicly, groups like the KKK and other white nationalist organizations and supporters. They are a part of the party, and the conservative movement, whether you like it or not, right?

I don't associate or want to be associated with those groups. Period. As others, including myself, have asked you and other R's over and over and over with no answer.....

How do you, YOU PERSONALLY, reconcile with this fact? I don't want the hear further deflection and projection. How do you justify supporting a party that known and proud racists and fascists associate with?

You can't possibly be this much of a simpleton. Do you agree with all of the stances of everybody who supports Democrat candidates? Of course you don't.

"Liberals fail at eliminating discrimination and racism so I side with the racists."

Logic.

That's not at all what I said. Liberal policies often compromise the very populations they purport to help. One simple example is minimum wage. On the surface it seems like something that will put more money in the pockets of the poorest workers, and liberal politicians often make it part of their platform.

In reality minimum wage increases do not help impoverished people for numerous reasons:
1) They encourage employers to cut staffing.
2) They encourage employers to automate tasks, replacing employees with machines.
3) They encourage employers to move employees into classes that are not protected by the rules, such as becoming part time employees.
4) They encourage employers to outsource, moving jobs overseas.
5) They cause inflation because the cost of the labor must be included in the cost of the product, thereby increasing the cost of living for everyone and nullifying any gains made through minimum wage increases.

In short, disadvantaged populations find themselves in a worse position as a result of liberal politicians pandering to them and pushing minimum wage legislation through.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You completely sidestepped my question.

I didn't ask how effective the Dems are-- I asked you if the rights proposed policies are less discriminatory. What do you think Joe?

See post #44.

 

[Deleted member 848]

You completely sidestepped my question.

I didn't ask how effective the Dems are-- I asked you if the rights proposed policies are less discriminatory. What do you think Joe?

I'll make this easier for you Joe, because I'm sure you're realizing that you're wrong-- give me a list of policies that the Reps are proposing, that will help America's very real racism problem against minorities of all stripes.

 

[Deleted member 848]

See post #44.

Well, you're wrong.

Your argument is that the abolition of a raise in minimum wage (yikes) is a policy proposed by the right that outdoes every other policy proposed on either side of government.

If a low minimum wage alone could defeat racism, we wouldn't be talking about race 50 years after MLK died

 

[Deleted member 848]

Joe, your point is firmly grounded in fairy tales & an insult to black intellectuals nationwide. Hopefully someone else can dive in to explain why.

 

[Stoked]

Well, you're wrong.

Your argument is that the abolition of a raise in minimum wage (yikes) is a policy proposed by the right that outdoes every other policy proposed on either side of government.
If a low minimum wage alone could defeat racism, we wouldn't be talking about race 50 years after MLK died

That is not what he said. Sweet jesus...

It's like watching the GOP debate all over. I have better things to do.

Ya'll have a good day.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

You can't possibly be this much of a simpleton. Do you agree with all of the stances of everybody who supports Democrat candidates? Of course you don't.

I guess I am. I never claimed to be very smart and never will. I have to keep things simple so I can understand them. But at least the Dem's don't harbor outright bigoted racist pieces of human ****. So if I have to choose one or the other, I side with them. None of their stances or platforms bother me to the degree that the R's do. Plain and simple, just like me.

That's not at all what I said. Liberal policies often compromise the very populations they purport to help. One simple example is minimum wage. On the surface it seems like something that will put more money in the pockets of the poorest workers, and liberal politicians often make it part of their platform.

In reality minimum wage increases do not help impoverished people for numerous reasons:
1) They encourage employers to cut staffing.
2) They encourage employers to automate tasks, replacing employees with machines.
3) They encourage employers to move employees into classes that are not protected by the rules, such as becoming part time employees.
4) They encourage employers to outsource, moving jobs overseas.
5) They cause inflation because the cost of the labor must be included in the cost of the product, thereby increasing the cost of living for everyone and nullifying any gains made through minimum wage increases.

In short, disadvantaged populations find themselves in a worse position as a result of liberal politicians pandering to them and pushing minimum wage legislation through.

None of this had been tried or implemented in this country, yet you've already drawn conclusions. But, hey you're smarter than me so whatevs. We might as well just rely on the free market and conservative policy to eliminate inequality.

 

[Deleted member 848]

That is not what he said. Sweet jesus...

It's like watching the GOP debate all over. I have better things to do.

Ya'll have a good day.

Oh give me a ****ing break dude. I asked him twice to give a simple answer, and I'll I got was "see post 44".


Which was EXACTLY what I typed out.

I get that "rip on Dalamon" has been a thing lately but this post is beyond intellectually dishonest.

Go read the ****ing thread.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Well, you're wrong.

Your argument is that the abolition of a raise in minimum wage (yikes) is a policy proposed by the right that outdoes every other policy proposed on either side of government.

If a low minimum wage alone could defeat racism, we wouldn't be talking about race 50 years after MLK died

Your reading comprehension is making intelligent discussion impossible.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I guess I am. I never claimed to be very smart and never will. I have to keep things simple so I can understand them. But at least the Dem's don't harbor outright bigoted racist pieces of human ****. So if I have to choose one or the other, I side with them. None of their stances or platforms bother me to the degree that the R's do. Plain and simple, just like me.




None of this had been tried or implemented in this country, yet you've already drawn conclusions. But, hey you're smarter than me so whatevs. We might as well just rely on the free market and conservative policy to eliminate inequality.

Huh? Minimum wage has been in place for decades, and it has gone up numerous times based on liberal arguments, and each time it has resulted in both inflation and increased unemployment among the lowest wage workers. Yet they want to do it again. Those who understand the economics are not pushing minimum wage increases because they believe it will help the lowest paid employees. They are pushing it because they believe it will earn them votes.

 

[sirkickyass]

On a website full of bad political discussions, this somehow managed to surprise me with its awfulness.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

On a website full of bad political discussions, this somehow managed to surprise me with its awfulness.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Huh? Minimum wage has been in place for decades, and it has gone up numerous times based on liberal arguments, and each time it has resulted in both inflation and increased unemployment among the lowest wage workers. Yet they want to do it again. Those who understand the economics are not pushing minimum wage increases because they believe it will help the lowest paid employees. They are pushing it because they believe it will earn them votes.

Right, you know what we should drop minimum wage back to the 60s levels. Actually why don't we just get rid of it altogether? I mean if market emancipation is the key to stopping racism then I don't see why not

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Right, you know what we should drop minimum wage back to the 60s levels. Actually why don't we just get rid of it altogether? I mean if market emancipation is the key to stopping racism then I don't see why not

You really beat the hell out of that strawman. Nice work!

 

[colton]

Voting independent or third party would be throwing away your vote which I believe helps trump... So it's almost like you are voting for trump.

In the grand scheme of things, the chances that a single vote actually makes a difference are infinitesimal. But at least voting independent or third party would allow me to live with myself, whereas voting for Trump or Hillary would not.

 

[colton]

Sink me!

 

[Deleted member 848]

Huh? Minimum wage has been in place for decades, and it has gone up numerous times based on liberal arguments, and each time it has resulted in both inflation and increased unemployment among the lowest wage workers. Yet they want to do it again. Those who understand the economics are not pushing minimum wage increases because they believe it will help the lowest paid employees. They are pushing it because they believe it will earn them votes.

Has raising minimum wage in Seattle resulted in higher unemployment?