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Growing up society always taught me to treat women with way more respect than i treat men. I always opened car doors for them, always bought them flowers, always treated them softly and kindly, gave tons of compliments, do favors for them, would never hit them.

I treat my guy friends good too but i would never talk to a woman the way i talk to my guy friends and never buy them stuff. I do compliment them sometimes but not nearly as often as I compliment women.


I can only speak for myself but i treat women way better than i treat men. Is that societies fault too?
Is it bad that i treat women better than men cause that means i treat them different? How do the feminists feel about this issue i wonder.
 
fishonjazz said:
Growing up society always taught me to treat women with way more respect than i treat men. I always opened car doors for them, always bought them flowers, always treated them softly and kindly, gave tons of compliments, do favors for them, would never hit them.

I treat my guy friends good too but i would never talk to a woman the way i talk to my guy friends and never buy them stuff. I do compliment them sometimes but not nearly as often as I compliment women.


I can only speak for myself but i treat women way better than i treat men. Is that societies fault too?
Is it bad that i treat women better than men cause that means i treat them different? How do the feminists feel about this issue i wonder.
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I once went on a date with a woman who got offended that I opened the car door for her. I apologized and she got offended by that too. We went to dinner and talked about that sort of stuff. She softened up considerably, and when we returned to the car she asked if I would get her door. It was pretty cool of her, but I told her she could open her own damn door. (jk)

I'll bet that if people in this conversation saw my actual interactions with women they wouldn't see me as the neg deserving monster that I'm apparently coming off as.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'll bet that if people in this conversation saw my actual interactions with women they wouldn't see me as the neg deserving monster that I'm apparently coming off as.
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I feel the same way. I feel like I'm coming off as an insensitive woman hating *******. I think I'm done with this thread. I don't like how it inaccurately makes me appear
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I realize that there's a lot of anger in the feminist crowd. I don't believe feminists are a good representation of all women.
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"For the record, feminism, by definition, is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. It is the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes."

". . .The more I have spoken about feminism, the more I have realized that fighting for women's rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. If there is one thing I know for certain, it is that this has to stop."

-Emma Watson
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Maybe a better way to say it is that I don't feel the immense responsibility you apparently do for all of these perceived crimes of man against women. It feels like you are implying that being a man is a crime. It seems like you believe that women suffer constant and ongoing harm because of the existence of men. I don't think that's true, even though there are obviously specific occasions where it does happen.
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Here's an example of my earlier sentiment. You could do a full women's studies class on this one post and whole courses are about this mode of thinking.
 
JazzGal said:
"For the record, feminism, by definition, is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. It is the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes."

". . .The more I have spoken about feminism, the more I have realized that fighting for women's rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. If there is one thing I know for certain, it is that this has to stop."

-Emma Watson
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I went to a Gail Collins event a few years ago, where feminism, and in particular masculine hostility towards it, was discussed at length. She said that she believes most people are feminists but take anti-feminist positions because they're essentially allergic to the word.

Seems fair given the discussion on here today.
 
I choose to see you guys as evolving. I am not questioning how you treat the women in your lives. You are Jazz fans, and therefore obviously have many redeeming qualities.

In answer to previous questions, I have no problem with a man holding the door for me. I do not have a problem with a woman holding the door for me. I do not have a problem holding the door open for either a man or a woman. Whoever gets to the door first should be courteous to the person who is right behind them. Simple.

Compliments are appropriate. They cross the line when they are always about appearance and never about any other aspect of a person, or when they are familiar in a way that makes a person uncomfortable.
 
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