If there's one thing I know it's that people can always complain.
BYU - it's time come out of the dark ages.
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green
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I'm not sure what this has to do with kicking a girl out of school after she was raped.
green
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Also, Spencer Hadley wasn't kicked out of school for breaking the honor code but she was for two years?
The honor code is a travesty and should be gone yesterday. It's pathetic.
Like I said above, how anyone could send their daughter to a place where she could be sexually assaulted then kicked out of school for going to the authorities...
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
The honor code is a travesty and should be gone yesterday. It's pathetic.
Like I said above, how anyone could send their daughter to a place where she could be sexually assaulted then kicked out of school for going to the authorities...
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
To be precise though, she was kicked out for doing drugs, not because she was raped. (Yes, I know you said "after" rather than "because", but just trying to clarify for those who didn't read the article.)
That being said, I do get the point of the article, which is that if someone is raped while doing stuff that is against the Honor Code, it makes it less likely that the person will report the rape. But, for what it's worth, my experience as a faculty member is that students rarely if ever get kicked out for a first Honor Code violation... and I would guess that most students also are aware of that. And, most rapes probably do NOT occur in situations that involve stuff that's against the Honor Code. So I wonder how many people really are discouraged by the Honor Code from reporting rapes that occur? I'd guess it's probably a very small fraction. Unfortunately the article doesn't really shed any light on that.
green
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Colton - are you implying that it is her fault for being raped? That had she not been breaking the honor code she would not have been raped?
I don't think you would say that, but I am just clarifying.
The article specifically states that she didn't want to report it because she was worried that she would get kicked out.
That's the problem.
Would you rather a girl get raped and not report it for fear of retribution from the honor code office?
She told the police that she was on acid and they took no further action. BYU should do the same.
Getting rid of sexual abuse is more important than someone getting high on the weekend.
The honor code is preventing girls from reporting rapes at BYU. Is that not a problem?
Isn't being raped punishment enough for taking acid? Does BYU really need to drag this girl through the mud further? Wouldn't you rather have the rape reported to the man is caught so he does not rape again?
It is it better to have these girls live in fear and never report the rape?
How could you send your daughter to a place where if a girl stays out past 12, then is raped but told that she broke the honor code and she will be kicked out of school so she keeps it to herself?
I don't think you would say that, but I am just clarifying.
The article specifically states that she didn't want to report it because she was worried that she would get kicked out.
That's the problem.
Would you rather a girl get raped and not report it for fear of retribution from the honor code office?
She told the police that she was on acid and they took no further action. BYU should do the same.
Getting rid of sexual abuse is more important than someone getting high on the weekend.
The honor code is preventing girls from reporting rapes at BYU. Is that not a problem?
Isn't being raped punishment enough for taking acid? Does BYU really need to drag this girl through the mud further? Wouldn't you rather have the rape reported to the man is caught so he does not rape again?
It is it better to have these girls live in fear and never report the rape?
How could you send your daughter to a place where if a girl stays out past 12, then is raped but told that she broke the honor code and she will be kicked out of school so she keeps it to herself?
green
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What? So, you are ok with the culture of fear at BYU that allows a rapist to free?
I believe you are better than that.
No, of course not.
Yes, and that's how I summarized it in my post. It's an issue worth considering. But are many rapes actually going unreported? That's where my skepticism kicked in.
Oh, please. Kids don't get kicked out of BYU for staying out past 12.
And for what it's worth, I am currently sending my daughter to BYU. And I have far fewer qualms about her safety than if she were at just about any other university in the county.
LOL. What's the evidence there's a "culture of fear"? Goodness gracious.
What would be the problem with putting a wall between rape investigations and the honor code office? Don't provide a free pass for honor code violations, just don't use rape investigations as a way to funnel honor code violations to those who enforce the honor code.
Sorry, just one more comment. In thinking about this more, a large number of rapes in universities are obviously drug & alcohol related. So the real question that you should be asking (green) if the goal to minimize rapes is the paramount consideration, is how do the reduced number of rapes that come from having a culture that doesn't tolerate drug & alcohol use compare to the possibly elevated number of rapes that occur due to the possible unreporting of rapes by students who are afraid of getting kicked out of school if they were raped in a situation where they were acting against the school's rules. And I'd bet that the former VASTLY outweighs the latter. So I'm going to ask you, green, how can you possibly consider sending your daughter to a university that DOESN'T have a zero tolerance policy of drug & alcohol use??
Yes, that seems like a reasonable proposal to consider.