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Do you support these protests against Trump?

Do you support these protests against Trump?

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♪alt13 said:
Careful what you wish for.

The Democrats have an advantage in terms of the presidency because of how the states are divided. It is hard to say what the results would be if we went by popular vote. A lot of conservatives in New York and California don't bother voting. Looking at just California I'm going to guess that if you split it into 3 states you would get a swing state, a blue state, and a red state(depending on where thee borders were). Ever been to Redding?

Changing to the popular vote may not give you the political result that you think it will.
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Nonetheless, the electoral college is an archaic nonsensical system that needs to go. I've yet to hear a good reason of why it should stick around.
 
Siro said:
Nonetheless, the electoral college is an archaic nonsensical system that needs to go. I've yet to hear a good reason of why it should stick around.
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Well it seems like without it middle America would have no voice at all in Presidential elections.
 
Siro said:
How so? Every citizen would have the same weight as every other.
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It just seems like high population states would have much more power if they just did straight popular vote. That's the reason they have the electoral college, right? To balance the power of the states?

I'm not arguing for it/against it, just thought that was the reason.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It just seems like high population states would have much more power if they just did straight popular vote. That's the reason they have the electoral college, right? To balance the power of the states?

I'm not arguing for it/against it, just thought that was the reason.
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And if you are paranoid, you could say it was designed to keep the white vote stronger since it's pretty easy to predict that minorities are usually grouped in certain areas and not spread out through the country equally.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It just seems like high population states would have much more power if they just did straight popular vote. That's the reason they have the electoral college, right? To balance the power of the states?

I'm not arguing for it/against it, just thought that was the reason.
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Right now the high population states have way more power than the lower populated states. Going popular vote would mean that each individual vote counts the exact same.
 
Scat said:
When have I EVER said I want to block CA from the voting?
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I think you said something like "if californias votes didn't count then trump would have won by even more."
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It just seems like high population states would have much more power if they just did straight popular vote. That's the reason they have the electoral college, right? To balance the power of the states?

I'm not arguing for it/against it, just thought that was the reason.
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Well ya, fewer people would have less say than more people. That's the way every other democracy works.

There are different opinions on why the electoral college existed in the first place. I don't think the "small state protection" argument works since electors are based on population anyway, and almost all presidents come from big states (more exposure and more supporters).

I think it exists as a compromise between northern and slave states. The slave states had a huge population, most of whom could not vote. By providing population based electors, the slave states had much more weight (since slaves count as population but not as voters).

So now we're stuck with an undemocratic and convoluted system that makes no sense, and that was established for **** reasons.
 
UGLI baby said:
Got a link or should I just text him?
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I went back and tried to find it again... can't remember where I saw it.

Basically said we need to get behind the President and be supportive so he can concentrate on doing the best job possible.
 
I just drove by the SLC capital to go for a hike I was surprised at how many people were there protesting.
 
Dr. Jones said:
After an initial voice/protests, what now do the protestors hope to accomplish?
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I have another question I'd like answered. It's about the reports on the rise of hate and bully speech and crimes perpetrated by self-identified Trump supporters against minorities of different types. Obviously, they're are emboldened by the election results. What do they hope to accomplish?
 
There were people assembling here in the metropolis of St. George.
Every sign I saw was only about "love" and "unity."
 
NAOS said:
I have another question I'd like answered. It's about the reports on the rise of hate and bully speech and crimes perpetrated by self-identified Trump supporters against minorities of different types. Obviously, they're are emboldened by the election results. What do they hope to accomplish?
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To hurt minorities feelings and they leave the country??

Joking, sorta..

I think most would agree that the truly deeply racist and hateful people are mostly uneducated pricks.
So it's probably just as simple as what you said... they have less fear of being extroverted in their voice/feelings. At least we can make note of who they are rather than them being in the shadows.

I know your question was a kind of rhetorical retort to mine but it's a good question.
 
NAOS said:
I have another question I'd like answered. It's about the reports on the rise of hate and bully speech and crimes perpetrated by self-identified Trump supporters against minorities of different types. Obviously, they're are emboldened by the election results. What do they hope to accomplish?
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If I were to hazard a guess it would be to express a feeling of superiority that had previously felt diminished.
 
I will again post Richard Rorty's quote from 1998 (because Rorty is an amazing thinker):

Members of labor unions, and unorganized unskilled workers, will sooner or later realize that their government is not even trying to prevent wages from sinking or to prevent jobs from being exported. Around the same time, they will realize that suburban white-collar workers — themselves desperately afraid of being downsized — are not going to let themselves be taxed to provide social benefits for anyone else. At that point, something will crack.

The nonsuburban electorate will decide that the system has failed and start looking around for a strongman to vote for — someone willing to assure them that, once he is elected, the smug bureaucrats, tricky lawyers, overpaid bond salesmen, and postmodernist professors will no longer be calling the shots . . . One thing that is very likely to happen is that the gains made in the past forty years by black and brown Americans, and by homosexuals, will be wiped out. Jocular contempt for women will come back into fashion . . . All the resentment which badly educated Americans feel about having their manners dictated to them by college graduates will find an outlet.
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