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Kevin Pelton Thinks George Hill Will Get $20 Million in FA

If Hill walks so does Hayward. I think we either have to sign both of them or we better trade both of them.
 
♪alt13 said:
If Hill walks so does Hayward. I think we either have to sign both of them or we better trade both of them.
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Hayward is smart. The only reason he walks is if he thinks the Jazz had the finances to accommodate a core with Hill in it, but they didn't and the team regressed as a result of the team being cheap. This, along with the Jazz not maxing him.
 
NAOS said:
It is not wistful or homerish to listen to what George Hill has said and conclude that he's prepared to stay here; that he's the kind of guy who will sit at the negotiating table and leave something there for both sides.

It's also very safe to say he's a guy who has demonstrated that he's a man of his word, not some kind of artist at shell games and misdirections.
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The fact of the matter is that we don't know these people. People typed this exact same **** that you're currently typing out before Hayward hit free agency and signed that contract with Charlotte. And guess what-- Hayward has continued to say the same **** about Utah after signing with Utah (no different from George) and he will still have a prominent chance to leave this team if a better opportunity and payment presents itself. Stop acting like you know these dudes.
 
dalamon said:
The fact of the matter is that we don't know these people. People typed this exact same **** that you're currently typing out before Hayward hit free agency and signed that contract with Charlotte. And guess what-- Hayward has continued to say the same **** about Utah after signing with Utah (no different from George) and he will still have a prominent chance to leave this team if a better opportunity and payment presents itself. Stop acting like you know these dudes.
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The comparison (I didn't exactly make) with West was fatuous, but your comparison with Hayward isn't?

My opinions about Hill are being generated by what Hill and the FO are saying. If you want to keep doing what you're doing, that's fine.
 
dalamon said:
Hayward is smart. The only reason he walks is if he thinks the Jazz had the finances to accommodate a core with Hill in it, but they didn't and the team regressed as a result of the team being cheap. This, along with the Jazz not maxing him.
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SO... you agree that if Hill walks then Hayward walks?
 
♪alt13 said:
1)The Jazz do have the finances to to accommodate a core with Hill in it.

2)The Jazz would regress without Hill. Hayward would only need to look back to the previous season to believe that would be the case.
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Why would we regress? Hill himself is setup to regress from his age.

The Jazz are better this year and Hill has certainly helped, but he isnt the only reason. Every single player on the team has improved. Every player should continue to improve next year, especially guys like Exum and Lyles. We are going to be a better team next year than this year, regardless of Hill's decision (assuming everyone else stays).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Why would we regress? Hill himself is setup to regress from his age.

The Jazz are better this year and Hill has certainly helped, but he isnt the only reason. Every single player on the team has improved. Every player should continue to improve next year, especially guys like Exum and Lyles. We are going to be a better team next year than this year, regardless of Hill's decision (assuming everyone else stays).
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I think we would regress but what I think doesn't matter.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/five-questions-about-a-utah-jazz-team-youd-be-foolish-to-jump-ship-on/

"He's been unbelievably tough both offensively and defensively," Hayward said. "He's long and active on the ball. And on the offense, it seems like he's always going at his pace. He's controlling the game for us and he definitely won the game for us in a couple of games early on."
Hayward said he was "ecstatic" when Utah acquired Hill. Had this move happened a year earlier, it almost surely would have made the playoffs.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Why would we regress? Hill himself is setup to regress from his age.

The Jazz are better this year and Hill has certainly helped, but he isnt the only reason. Every single player on the team has improved. Every player should continue to improve next year, especially guys like Exum and Lyles. We are going to be a better team next year than this year, regardless of Hill's decision (assuming everyone else stays).
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Not really. Hill has an old mans game. I think his game will age well...he can still shoot, still has size to defend.
 
I think if we can't get a renegotiate and extend done then we likely can't make the money line up to keep him.
 
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