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Utah's holding opponents to 92.8 ppg

Eminence said:
#4 at 101.5 per 100. Behind Clippers, Memphis, Atlanta.
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These are good defensive teams but when Favors gets healthy the Jazz are in a class of their own. Rudy is the best defensive big in the league, which is worth a ton... 2nd best defense is the Clips for my $.

Utah should finish 1st in opp PPG this year though, somewhere between 94.7 - 96.8
 
PG_AB said:
These are good defensive teams but when Favors gets healthy the Jazz are in a class of their own. Rudy is the best defensive big in the league, which is worth a ton... 2nd best defense is the Clips for my $.

Utah should finish 1st in opp PPG this year though, somewhere between 94.7 - 96.8
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Agreed with you that Utah's in a class of their own when healthy. I think I expect the Hawks to wind up #2 (despite what they showed us last night overall).
 
A couple more interesting stats..... Before last nights game, opponents attempt 8% less shots in the paint (the most efficient spot on the floor to score from) when gobert is on the court vs when he is not. After last nights game, when atlanta looked absolutely scared of gobert, im guessing that number is now higher.

George hill has more steals than turnovers. I wonder if he is the only starting point guard in the league to do that.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Why would anyone continuously use PPG as a useful stat?
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For one - they play games not 100 possession matches.. .. .2nd - I firmly believe that a trait of great modern NBA teams is having nearly immaculate records when holding teams under 100ppg.



There was some magic # near 100 points last year that if the Jazz held the opposing team under they were like 40-5 or something like that IIRC?? Pretty sure.


I like to keep track of the opponents scoring pace vs a 100pt pace. I don't really care about the pace per possession as much, as long as the opposing team isnt' on pace for 100 it's Jazz basketball as far as im concerned. I figure if they can keep a team to that pace and then cause a scoreless streak for a few minutes they can really constrict the game further. Which is what we saw last night.

92.8 would be the lowest OPPG since the 13-14 season.
 
PG_AB said:
For one - they play games not 100 possession matches.. .. .2nd - I firmly believe that a trait of great modern NBA teams is having nearly immaculate records when holding teams under 100ppg.



There was some magic # near 100 points last year that if the Jazz held the opposing team under they were like 40-5 or something like that IIRC?? Pretty sure.


I like to keep track of the opponents scoring pace vs a 100pt pace. I don't really care about the pace per possession as much, as long as the opposing team isnt' on pace for 100 it's Jazz basketball as far as im concerned. I figure if they can keep a team to that pace and then cause a scoreless streak for a few minutes they can really constrict the game further. Which is what we saw last night.

92.8 would be the lowest OPPG since the 13-14 season.
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That's good reasoning for seeing whether the Jazz are keeping to their own "identity." I'm not sure it works as well for comparison against other teams in the league.

Even points per/100 may not be totally capture the team's defensive "quality." There are things a team can do (like abandon offensive rebounding in favor of stopping transition offense, for example) that can make the points per/100 a bit misleading in my view (measuring "philosophy" partly, and not just overall "quality"). So ultimately any good coach is going to worry more about total point differential (or wins) than making sure that the defense is best on PPG or PP/100.

That said, yeah, the Jazz defense seems to be working great. Hope Favors is able to make it back to his old self.
 
PG_AB said:
For one - they play games not 100 possession matches.. .. .2nd - I firmly believe that a trait of great modern NBA teams is having nearly immaculate records when holding teams under 100ppg.


There was some magic # near 100 points last year that if the Jazz held the opposing team under they were like 40-5 or something like that IIRC?? Pretty sure.


I like to keep track of the opponents scoring pace vs a 100pt pace. I don't really care about the pace per possession as much, as long as the opposing team isnt' on pace for 100 it's Jazz basketball as far as im concerned. I figure if they can keep a team to that pace and then cause a scoreless streak for a few minutes they can really constrict the game further. Which is what we saw last night.

92.8 would be the lowest OPPG since the 13-14 season.
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Hurting the offense to help the defense is a net wash of zero. Making your defense better by playing slower on offense has no ACTUAL bearing on whether or not you're actually good at defense.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Hurting the offense to help the defense is a net wash of zero. Making your defense better by playing slower on offense has no ACTUAL bearing on whether or not you're actually good at defense.
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disagree. I say playing slower adds to the attrition applied by the defense. there's a cumulative grinding effect and you can see it on the court sometimes. Here's 2 of the better examples;

last night somewhere in those 2nd and 3rd quarters where ATL combined for 25 points you could see them pressing and panicking, with demoralized body language, Dwight was scoreless and frankly looked old. Their announcers even suggested going to walk the dog because it was an old fashioned whooping. At one point Schroder knew nothing was working so he just put his head down and went to the rim a few times in a row and got blocked. They were totally disarmed.

You can't tell me that when the Jazz get ahead like vs ATL, that most opposing teams won't feel alittle extra pressure/aren't alittle more deflated knowing not only that the opposing defense is stout andthings aren't working offensively, but that the Jazz offense is going to limit the possessions/take the air out of the ball too..

This was also especially apparent in the Lakers win earlier in the season around the start of the 4th quarter mark. When teams begin to crumble and lose their composure, I believe that's in-part because of the cumulative effect of the pace.
 
Have to agree with the Duck here. All that matters really matters is how many points you're allowing per possession. Regardless, the Jazz are good in either measure. What people aren't talking about is the fastbreak defense. With Favors out, Quin has made the decision to give up offensive rebounds in favor of transition defense. If you're not going to be able to rebound in the first place, you might as well get back and it's working.
 
PG_AB said:
disagree. I say playing slower adds to the attrition applied by the defense. there's a cumulative grinding effect and you can see it on the court sometimes. Here's 2 of the better examples;

last night somewhere in those 2nd and 3rd quarters where ATL combined for 25 points you could see them pressing and panicking, with demoralized body language, Dwight was scoreless and frankly looked old. Their announcers even suggested going to walk the dog because it was an old fashioned whooping. At one point Schroder knew nothing was working so he just put his head down and went to the rim a few times in a row and got blocked. They were totally disarmed.

You can't tell me that when the Jazz get ahead like vs ATL, that most opposing teams won't feel alittle extra pressure/aren't alittle more deflated knowing not only that the opposing defense is stout andthings aren't working offensively, but that the Jazz offense is going to limit the possessions/take the air out of the ball too..

This was also especially apparent in the Lakers win earlier in the season around the start of the 4th quarter mark. When teams begin to crumble and lose their composure, I believe that's in-part because of the cumulative effect of the pace.
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It's because the Jazz defense was really good, not the fact that they play offense slow.
 
KqWIN said:
Have to agree with the Duck here. All that matters really matters is how many points you're allowing per possession. Regardless, the Jazz are good in either measure. What people aren't talking about is the fastbreak defense. With Favors out, Quin has made the decision to give up offensive rebounds in favor of transition defense. If you're not going to be able to rebound in the first place, you might as well get back and it's working.
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Not true.. That completely turns a blind eye to the emotions involved during the course of an NBA game. Another thing it directly affects is when coaches take timeouts.

You don't want to recognize a speck of advantage created by playing slower to make your point? so be it. Believe what you want, be imaginative.
 
PG_AB said:
Not true.. That completely turns a blind eye to the emotions involved during the course of an NBA game. Another thing it directly affects is when coaches take timeouts.

You don't want to recognize a speck of advantage created by playing slower to make your point? so be it. Believe what you want, be imaginative.
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You would need to prove that pace affects anything at all. There's no correlation with pace and success. Fast paced teams win with defense. Slow paced teams win with defense. You never saw "demoralizing" body language due to the stifling defense GSW played in their championship year? They played at a high pace.
 
PG_AB said:
Not true.. That completely turns a blind eye to the emotions involved during the course of an NBA game. Another thing it directly affects is when coaches take timeouts.

You don't want to recognize a speck of advantage created by playing slower to make your point? so be it. Believe what you want, be imaginative.
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No it doesn't. If playing slow demoralizes the defense, then why are you willingly demoralizing your offense? That makes no sense. I could just as easily say that slow pace is bad for defense, because if the offensive team scores 2 or 3 times in a row it demoralizes the defense because it hasn't gotten a stop in a long time.

What matters is the amount of points the other team gets when they have the ball, not the amount of times they have ball.
 
If you're going to build a team without a superstar, team defense is the next best option. While Gobert will likely never be viewed as that prototypical star, IMO he is nearly as impactful as just about any player in the league. Unless the FO makes a major trade, our best shot at winning a championship will be to assemble a deep team consisting of a starting unit made up entirely of all-stars/fringe all-stars with the league best defense. It might be unlikely but it's still a possibility.
 
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