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The season of great potential - Just another season of disappointment

Millsap is older but still better. I know I speak for a large portion of the fan base when I say that we are tired of half *** effort and disappointing results. Millsap would help us compete for and in the playoffs. He could mentor Lyles. He compliments Gobert better than Favors.

Millsap the next 3 years makes us more dangerous than Favors for the next 6. Screw potential. We are ready for results.

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LoPo said:
**** you Cy. I'm entitled an opinion just like you. You talk all day and don't know ****. You're all about perceived value, obscure stats and still don't know ****.

You win with guys who are committed to winning. Favors is a pansy. Hayward lacks a killer instinct. You're probably fine paying him $30+ this summer and Favors $25+ the next summer. And that will tank out potential.

You don't know ****

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LoPo said:
Millsap is older but still better. I know I speak for a large portion of the fan base when I say that we are tired of half *** effort and disappointing results. Millsap would help us compete for and in the playoffs. He could mentor Lyles. He compliments Gobert better than Favors.

Millsap the next 3 years makes us more dangerous than Favors for the next 6. Screw potential. We are ready for results.

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Favors was already better than Milsap last season and that is comparing a 24 year old to a 31 year old, at the same age it is not even an argument. Favors will be better again when healthy and will continue to get better for the next few years. I wish we had got something for Millsap as well but Favors was a better option to start and Millsap was not coming off the bench. Maybe we could have moved Favors to Center earlier but he is a PF and much better at that spot. Kanter could have come off the bench with those two but then Millsap maybe would never have learned to shoot the 3 like he did in Atlanta. I have 0 issue with Favors being chosen over Millsap. Also we did use the cap room with Millsap leaving for some decent stuff like getting Rodney Hood.
 
Favors is better by what measure? Oh right, worthless stats. I forgot, Favors has been the best player on his team and led them to the playoffs the last 3-4 years. That's right, Favors was on the NBA All Defensive Team. Oh yeah, Favors was an All Star a couple of the last few years.

Oh wait, Favors hasn't done ****. He's put up some stats on a sub .500 team as the 2nd or 3rd best player. When he actually plays.

With Millsap in place of Favors, we are a playoff team the last 2 years and better this year. He's a better player. He makes his team's better.

But let's just dwell on age and a guy who pads stats for a nonplayoff team.

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LoPo said:
Favors is better by what measure? Oh right, worthless stats. I forgot, Favors has been the best player on his team and led them to the playoffs the last 3-4 years. That's right, Favors was on the NBA All Defensive Team. Oh yeah, Favors was an All Star a couple of the last few years.

Oh wait, Favors hasn't done ****. He's put up some stats on a sub .500 team as the 2nd or 3rd best player. When he actually plays.

With Millsap in place of Favors, we are a playoff team the last 2 years and better this year. He's a better player. He makes his team's better.

But let's just dwell on age and a guy who pads stats for a nonplayoff team.

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What are Millsaps worthwhile accomplishments? Getting spanked by daddy Lebron?

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
What are Millsaps worthwhile accomplishments? Getting spanked by daddy Lebron?

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Yeah. Millsap must really suck losing to a top 5 all time player like almost everybody else does. Its so funny people knock Millsap for losing to LeBron but defend a guy who loses a must win game at home against the Clippers' 2nd unit last year. It's a great example of the lack of depth with some Jazz fans.

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LoPo said:
Yeah. Millsap must really suck losing to a top 5 all time player like almost everybody else does. Its so funny people knock Millsap for losing to LeBron but defend a guy who loses a must win game at home against the Clippers' 2nd unit last year. It's a great example of the lack of depth with some Jazz fans.

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Nah we just have patience?

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LoPo said:
Favors is better by what measure? Oh right, worthless stats. I forgot, Favors has been the best player on his team and led them to the playoffs the last 3-4 years. That's right, Favors was on the NBA All Defensive Team. Oh yeah, Favors was an All Star a couple of the last few years.

Oh wait, Favors hasn't done ****. He's put up some stats on a sub .500 team as the 2nd or 3rd best player. When he actually plays.

With Millsap in place of Favors, we are a playoff team the last 2 years and better this year. He's a better player. He makes his team's better.

But let's just dwell on age and a guy who pads stats for a nonplayoff team.

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It is very very arguable that Millsap was the best player. I would give that distinction to Al Horford before he left. Maybe he is this year or maybe its Shroeder or Howard and that team is btw .500 now.

Millsap when his team made it to the playoffs and won he was surrounded by 3 other all-stars as well. Has Favors played next to 3 all-stars? Is his W/L comparable with the different teams?

Yes Millsap made the All-star team in the East. That does not mean that much to me. Yes he made a the all-defense team but he also played on a team that was playing really high team level defense. We saw what he was as a defender as a starter for the Jazz and it was piss poor his last year. We saw what he did for us in the playoffs and it wasnt enough. He has chocked in the playoffs with a team with the best record in the East. He got carried to the Conference Finals and averaged 3/10 shooting, .11 from three and didnt help his team win a single game despite his team being close in 3 of the games in spite of him.

How about this year with a good team around him again? He had one really big game against the Celtics in which his team lost. The rest of the games he was awful. His team won a game that he shot 1 out of 12 and 4 points. That is your best player? 1 out of 12 and you win in the playoffs? I think there were some better players carrying him that game and in that entire series. But he can stretch the floor with his three right? Oh if you take his 1 decent game out he never made more than 1 3 point shot and was shooting about 15% from 3? He averaged as many turnovers as assists. Sounds like he choked in the playoffs again... And got carried in the playoffs again by better players on his team.

Yes, Favors put up better stats in almost every category last season on the youngest team in the NBA that had a **** ton of injuries and barely missed the playoffs in the much more competitive western conference. Atlanta with a veteran heavy 4 all-stars team that was very healthy that year only got 8 more wins last year. Oh by the way our best PG that season was Mack who was their 3rd best PG.
 
LoPo said:
I'm patient until 1/30/17 which is less than some. If we haven't shown signs of occasional greatness and sustained health by then, we have to move some things around.

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We already have shown signs of being great this season when healthy. We are undefeated when Hayward and Hill play. We are 10-2 when we are only missing 1 starter not multiple starters. None of that factoring in our 6th best player isnt back yet.
 
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