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What's the Championship winning combination?

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So I heard something on FirstTake that I found interesting. This guy was talking about Chris Paul, and how his chance of winning a title is dwindling, he he mentioned a theory that's quite interesting, that the championship winning combination in the NBA is more 'Wing + Center' combination rather than the 'Point Guard + Forward' combination.


He also referenced the fact that Stockton & Malone couldn't get it done because it was a 'Point Guard + Forward' combination rather than a 'Wing + Center' combination. Arguing that Stockton was as good as PG you were ever going to get and Malone was as good a power forward you're ever going to get.


What do you guys think about this theory?


Obviously we now have the 'Wing + Center' combination in Hayward and Gobert - so I guess we're on the right track, right?


Thoughts?


Edit: Here's the video, go to the 14.50min mark for the comments about winning combinations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLrewqSzUU
 
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ONE LOVE said:
So I heard something on FirstTake that I found interesting. This guy was talking about Chris Paul, and how his chance of winning a title is dwindling, he he mentioned a theory that's quite interesting, that the championship winning combination in the NBA is more 'Wing + Center' combination rather than the 'Point Guard + Forward' combination.


He also referenced the fact that Stockton & Malone couldn't get it done because it was a 'Point Guard + Forward' combination rather than a 'Wing + Center' combination. Arguing that Stockton was as good as PG you were ever going to get and Malone was as good a power forward you're ever going to get.


What do you guys think about this theory?


Obviously we now have the 'Wing + Center' combination in Hayward and Gobert - so I guess we're on the right track, right?


Thoughts?
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I really don't know if we can end up building that winning combination overall, but I certainly think that Gobert/Hayward is a foundation to build on so I hope we get the chance to attempt it.

Also the statement that Stockton and Malone couldn't get it done because they were a PG/PF combo instead of a wing/center is ****ing ridiculous. They didn't get it done because of Jordan period.
 
What you really need in order to win a championship is a few things
1 - You need to be a good defensive team. The game slows waaay down, as we all know, in the post season, and getting stops is critical. We look set up in this facet
2 - You need an elite go to scorer that can put the ball in the hoop in crunch time. This is one of the hardest things to find, creating your own shot in the post season is hard, defenses clamp down, refs dont blow the whistle as much. This is where having that wing player is key, someone who can attack the paint, or score from outside is key. Hayward appears to be developing into that guy for us.
3 - Health. You need to be healthy, pretty straight forward but super important.

We have struggled with health much of this year, Favors being the one that stands out the most. So this is a bit concerning, but what I think is the biggest thing we need to develop is that go to scorer. Don't get me wrong I'm really happy with Hayward, but he isn't quite on the level of Lebron, Curry, Kawaii when it comes to scoring.

However, we are set up pretty well defensively with Gobert taking souls on the court and that COULD lead to easier points for our offense.

And its trash saying Stock and Malone couldnt get it done because they are PG/PF. Its because Jordan owned the 90s
 
I've updated the OP with the comment about the winning combination to the championship.


He also caveat with comment with "Even when Jordan wasn't there, they couldn't get it done"
 
Crawlnstall said:
What you really need in order to win a championship is a few things
1 - You need to be a good defensive team. The game slows waaay down, as we all know, in the post season, and getting stops is critical. We look set up in this facet
2 - You need an elite go to scorer that can put the ball in the hoop in crunch time. This is one of the hardest things to find, creating your own shot in the post season is hard, defenses clamp down, refs dont blow the whistle as much. This is where having that wing player is key, someone who can attack the paint, or score from outside is key. Hayward appears to be developing into that guy for us.
3 - Health. You need to be healthy, pretty straight forward but super important.

We have struggled with health much of this year, Favors being the one that stands out the most. So this is a bit concerning, but what I think is the biggest thing we need to develop is that go to scorer. Don't get me wrong I'm really happy with Hayward, but he isn't quite on the level of Lebron, Curry, Kawaii when it comes to scoring.

However, we are set up pretty well defensively with Gobert taking souls on the court and that COULD lead to easier points for our offense.

And its trash saying Stock and Malone couldnt get it done because they are PG/PF. Its because Jordan owned the 90s
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Bah, give Gobert a few more months and he will be a go-to scorer too. Dude can do whatever he wants. By the middle of next year, he could probably coach.
 
There are many ways you can win. There are many similarities in some of those ways. There may be more efficient ways of winning. There may be less efficient ways of winning. Everyone always talks about a "winning formula" and these magically follow trends ("OMG small ball!!!"). You start by having good players who aren't mental dip****s. You've gotta catch some lucky bounces. And you've also gotta be able to have the officiating, in general, support you gaining and maintaining momentum.
 
framer said:
Bah, give Gobert a few more months and he will be a go-to scorer too. Dude can do whatever he wants. By the middle of next year, he could probably coach.
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I saw the dude solving complex differential equations on the bench.
 
I guess this means Jordan got it done because he had Longley, Wennington, and Co. Makes sense.
 
Defense and shooting + superstar play and/or exceptional team-play, breadth and depth of quality players, get hot and have the right matchups at the right time (2004 Pistons).

But defense (which starts and ends at the rim, check) and shooting are basically your base from which you build.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Defense and shooting + superstar play and/or exceptional team-play, breadth and depth of quality players, get hot and have the right matchups at the right time (2004 Pistons).

But defense (which starts and ends at the rim, check) and shooting are basically your base from which you build.
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Biggest thing we are missing rn is the consistency from our creating role players. Hood/Burks/Hill have all been mediocre to awful since February.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Biggest thing we are missing rn is the consistency from our creating role players. Hood/Burks/Hill have all been mediocre to awful since February.

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Which, to be fair, they've all been hobbled. This could lead into a question about the importance of a good medical staff because I obviously have my questions about this team's (haven't they lost the most games due to injury of any team this season and last? At what point do we stop pretending that correlation means nothing?).
 
NUMBERICA said:
Which, to be fair, they've all been hobbled. This could lead into a question about the importance of a good medical staff because I obviously have my questions about this team's (haven't they lost the most games due to injury of any team this season and last? At what point do we stop pretending that correlation means nothing?).
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We have no way of knowing. Utah was on the forefront of the nba in implementing P3 to their training. I find it hard to believe we have a bad medical staff.

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We need consistency. We're getting it from Gobert and noone else. Some guys are more consistent than others but Gobert has been the only one we can count on. We also need better defenders to join Rudy. I can see us taking a page out of the Pistons book - they didn't have any superstars on the 2004 team - just solid players - most being good on defense. The same goes for the Pistons who won the back-to-back titles - noone averaged over 20 PPG. Just a bunch of consistent players who played defense and shot a decent percentage from the field.
 
I would say heart is huge, then a strategy that has a chance to be the next big thing. Focus on the long ball worked for GS. No idea if that works for a long time, or if something else will overtake.

At least the Jazz are going for length and defense surrounded by good 3pt. Something that is different from most current strategies. We don't know if it will work since we're still baaking.

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I think championship recipe is made up of a group of players that can check off the boxes below.

Go to scorer -
Defensive stoper -
Shot blocker -
Interior scorer -
3 point specialist -
Reliable point guard -
Solid team defense -
An enforcer -
Solid role players -
A secondary scorer -


A player could have multiple items. The problem I see with the jazz is Rudy is our enforcer but he is also our star. He can't knock someone on their *** because he needs to remain in the game. For this reason I miss Booker.

Hayward is a star but I still question his ability to score when we need it. JJ is one who can but he now has his limitations.

Rudy is a defensive specialist but we need a wing defender. I like jingles but seriously he is a deseginatored stopped? Burks should be but he has been meh.

I like the 3 point shooting and jingles is spot on there. Hood seems pretty clutch too just way to inconsistent.

Who is the secondary scorer on the jazz? Should be hood but consistency. Burks nope. Rudy has been on a tear but he is an opportunistic scorer.

Interior scorer s also lacking someone you can dump the ball into that will pull defenses in and free up shooters. Favors could be this but his damn knees.



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Having the best players is the right combination. Rudy is special. He's the core guy that everything else depends on. Hayward has great, efficient scoring potential. What the Jazz NEED is for players like Favors, Hood and Burks to get healthy and contribute a lot. And if they can't. . . get someone who can. Big 3. Core 4. All that matters is getting the playmakers by any means possible.
 
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