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♪alt13 said:
So what if someone ordered something from you. They came in to pick it up but your distributer had had not delivered it. You offered them a refund plus 1000$ and the item for free but they refused to leave your store until you gave them what you didn't have? Would you call the police? Are you responsible if after resisting to leave your business the police get physical with this person?

It's the same thing. You are selling something that you don't have. You hope to have it by the time the customer needs it but you may not.
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No it would be like if they ordered something from one love and one love actually gave it to them (not your scenario where he didn't have it) and then one love tried to take it back from them.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Every government subsidizes their airlines.


Airlines funnel planes to hubs the hubs are where they typically overbook. There are so many delays and other problems flying that if hubs didnt overbook they might have planes that are almost empty because of missed connections. This allows airlines to also put you on the next flight if you missed your connection. Many people cancel their flights or buy flexible passes such as business people as well. Many many seats would go empty if they didnt overbook. Would you be willing to pay double for a ticket so that they are never overbooked? I would not be.
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We don't, its terrible public policy, especially when all of our main carriers competition are either government owned or supported. Despite the efforts of Trump the goal of most governments is to increase the number of seats coming into their economy on a weekly basis, they have a demonstrable economic impact. (I can't remember the figures) It makes sense to run airlines at a loss in order to bring in more travellers.
 
Christie - "It's outrageous. ... And United is making more and more money. ... Passengers are FED UP and they should be."



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♪alt13 said:
[MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION]

There may be an issue with quotes that contain tweets. See above post
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They look ok to me unless I'm looking at the wrong post? Granted I'm on a PC currently. Did it just take a second to "fix" itself?
 
ONE LOVE said:
Christie - "It's outrageous. ... And United is making more and more money. ... Passengers are FED UP and they should be."



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How much is too much money? Are we going to make a cap on how much we can earn? Why?

It's just a dumb statement meant to rile people up.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Those profit numbers are from the Department of Transportation as reported by CNN Money. I've referenced all my sources including links to the original article.


If you can dig up numbers to show that these Airlines are struggling and to substantiate your claim that those numbers I've presented are 'deceiving' then I'd love to see them and so would many here.


Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field, I'm just reporting what I've found and going by what the state department is reporting.
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Historically, airline companies run a 1-3% profit margin. Since you're in business, you'll know that's quite small. Since they're at such a large volume, it doesn't take much for $1B profit to become a $1B loss.

Recently, the last year or two, airlines have operated at a much higher margin, anywhere from 10-15%. Pretty good, not great.

Now you're a business man [MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION], you can probably follow trends, are you going to ignore decades worth of relevant, historical data for a couple years worth of it? I know if I was a business owner, and people depended on me for jobs and transportation, I sure wouldn't making a drastic change to my business operation bc of a two year trend. I would keep on using what got me to that trend though.
 
Oh ****-- some people are saying that the "doctor" from Kentucky they found with the shady history was the wrong dude. Lmfao.
 
JustTheTip said:
Would gladly take that bet. Nothing real changes.
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I would gladly take my bet too. Thing is, the changes that take place might be things that you and I wouldn't even notice.
Maybe the fine print isn't so fine in the future.
Maybe when you call to make your reservation, the person you speak with explains overbooking to you. (I have flown maybe 10-20 times in my life and had no idea about overbooking and the chance that I could be sitting on a plane about to go to Mexico and then have my seat taken away)
Maybe there changes made to how they determine who gives up their seat.
Maybe they have more training for their employees for these types of scenarios.
Maybe they increase the compensation for giving up their seats.
Maybe they still overbook but to a lesser degree and maybe get better at determining which flights are a greater risk to be underbooked or overbooked and act accordingly.
Etc etc etc

Hell there already has been a change made. An investigation is currently underway from what I understand. That in and of itself is a change stemming from this incident.
 
I can guarantee there are meetings in offices of airline companies all across the country and probably in other countries too discussing this issue and trying to think of ways to improve going forward.
Big wigs and office people love meetings.

I know that my company notices when another company in the food industry, especially dairy/yogurt specific, has an issue that goes public. I end up in meetings discussing that specific issue and we try to prevent the same thing from happening to us.

There was a huge recall on chobani yogurt a few years ago and it was discussed a ton at my plant and changes (mostly paperwork and critical control points and gmp's) were made to my job because of it.
 
dalamon said:
Oh ****-- some people are saying that the "doctor" from Kentucky they found with the shady history was the wrong dude. Lmfao.
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Alt news no doubt.

JK.

Glad you're trying to argue less. I need to follow that same thought process. It just becomes too toxic and does no good. And I really want to enjoy my Utahr stay to the max with good vibes and good peeps.

No more arguing guys. Everyone is right. Only good mojo from here out. **** the Clips! Jazz in 6.
 
dalamon said:
Oh ****-- some people are saying that the "doctor" from Kentucky they found with the shady history was the wrong dude. Lmfao.
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Sucks for that guy, but that's on the media. The media sucks.

Who got kicked off is irrelevant. Rules is rules. But here's the funny thing...hypothetically, let's say united did this to a guy like Trump or Bannon. You would be cheering for United, wouldn't you? I'm sure all of twitter would be. This isn't about the issue, it's about the individual. People want to cheer for the little guy vs the big company. Age old story. Make it a big bully vs the same company, and people are switching their positions.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Alt news no doubt.

JK.

Glad you're trying to argue less. I need to follow that same thought process. It just becomes too toxic and does no good. And I really want to enjoy my Utahr stay to the max with good vibes and good peeps.

No more arguing guys. Everyone is right. Only good mojo from here out. **** the Clips! Jazz in 6.
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I'm gonna try to follow you and dalamon.
 
fishonjazz said:
I would gladly take my bet too. Thing is, the changes that take place might be things that you and I wouldn't even notice.
Maybe the fine print isn't so fine in the future.
Maybe when you call to make your reservation, the person you speak with explains overbooking to you. (I have flown maybe 10-20 times in my life and had no idea about overbooking and the chance that I could be sitting on a plane about to go to Mexico and then have my seat taken away)
Maybe there changes made to how they determine who gives up their seat.
Maybe they have more training for their employees for these types of scenarios.
Maybe they increase the compensation for giving up their seats.
Maybe they still overbook but to a lesser degree and maybe get better at determining which flights are a greater risk to be underbooked or overbooked and act accordingly.
Etc etc etc

Hell there already has been a change made. An investigation is currently underway from what I understand. That in and of itself is a change stemming from this incident.
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Lol if anything, the fine print will have more stuff on it. Not less.

You've flown almost 20 and have no clue about overbooking? I don't even know how that's possible. Are you paying attention when they're offering up coupons, vouchers and cash? Some good deals to be had my man.

They'll tell people to get the situation taken care of prior to boarding, which I believe is already typical policy. I've never seen it after boarding. That was very dumb. But it's not much of a change.

It's not the airlines fault the guy got beat up. That was airport security. But what was the guy expecting? He ran back into TE plane without a ticket and thought they'd let him stay? He's just trying to get paid.
 
JustTheTip said:
Lol if anything, the fine print will have more stuff on it. Not less.
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Yep. That's another change that could be made. That's why I said etc etc. Lots of different changes might come from this.
 
fishonjazz said:
I can guarantee there are meetings in offices of airline companies all across the country and probably in other countries too discussing this issue and trying to think of ways to improve going forward.
Big wigs and office people love meetings.

I know that my company notices when another company in the food industry, especially dairy/yogurt specific, has an issue that goes public. I end up in meetings discussing that specific issue and we try to prevent the same thing from happening to us.

There was a huge recall on chobani yogurt a few years ago and it was discussed a ton at my plant and changes (mostly paperwork and critical control points and gmp's) were made to my job because of it.
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The older i get the more life turns into an endless episode of Dilbert. My work is pretty much the same, management is reactive, no improvement is driven by an internal culture of best practice but by a mentality of avoiding liability and bad press. Generally the culture is driven by the contradictory desire to shift responsibility downwards and concentrate decision making at senior levels. More or less a system that is designed to fail and those responsible for that are not held accountable.
 
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