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I couldn't agree more with this article

Catchall said:
It seems to me the Jazz were in a hurry to rebuild after Stockalone. They maxed AK in a heartbeat, then rushed to bring in the only two FAs they could get, two PFs who, as it turned out, weren't that good together.

In other words, the rebuilding plan wasn't much of a plan. Players were slapped together reactively whether they fit the system or not. Brewer was never going to be the ideal SG. Neither was Almond. Koufos wasn't the full-time powerful pivot we wanted. Neither was Fess. The Jazz FO was a bit passive and waited years to see if things would magically "work out." And they didn't. Maybe there weren't good opportunities to build the team better. Drafting late in the 1st round may have been hopeless. So they got stuck as a top 6 - 8 team in the league unable to get past the 2nd round.

The good news now is that the Jazz have a player in Favors that they should be able to build around. He should become the most reliable big man of the last two drafts. The Jazz also have a good number of decent role players who have potential to get better. Now they need an elite guard.
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I don't think they just threw people together. The inside defensive combo of Boozer and Okur was bad, but other than that everyone seemed to complement each other pretty good. At the time, that team was actually a pretty solid team (Williams, Giricek, Kirilenko, Boozer and Okur -- though admittedly Giricek didn't play much when Williams emerged but you get the idea [sub in Korver]). The problems ended up being injury (obviously) and chemistry. It was apparent after the first time we got wiped out by LA that we needed to lose Boozer. Though we were injured, that was never an excuse to just "wait until we get healthy". It took two more years of the same team and two more years of getting wiped out by LA before we did anything (and that was only because it was a passive decision) and let Boozer walk. While I agree that something needed to be done sooner, I can't really complain about the assembly of that team because that truly was a talented team, despite seeing where it ended up taking us in hindsight.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Jazz were looking to win last year, and Kirilenko gave the Jazz a better opportunity to do that than McGrady.

And Phoenix's only positive to get out of a Kirilenko/Marion trade was a few million dollars saved the year of the trade. It was a financial burden otherwise, so it's VERY obvious that the Suns would want further compenstaion. It mentions that in this article. https://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0911mariononline0911.html

Phoenix wanted to unload Banks, and a Kirilenko/Millsap for Marion/Banks is what Phoenix would have wanted, but that was an obvious no from O'Connor, so the deal died. Pretty simple.
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I didn't read anything about Millsap or other compensation. Not saying Millsap wasn't discussed, but when these rumors surfaced it wasn't until Stoudemire for Kirilenko do I ever remember Millsap's name coming up. It could have happened, but I've never heard anything mentioned and it would just be speculation in filling in the gaps to say it would include Millsap, but that is neither here nor there. I'm really not an AK believer and I do truly believe that we'd be better off with McGrady in street clothes than Kirilenko in street clothes or Kirilenko in a Jazz jersey.
 
infection said:
I didn't read anything about Millsap or other compensation. Not saying Millsap wasn't discussed, but when these rumors surfaced it wasn't until Stoudemire for Kirilenko do I ever remember Millsap's name coming up. It could have happened, but I've never heard anything mentioned and it would just be speculation in filling in the gaps to say it would include Millsap, but that is neither here nor there. I'm really not an AK believer and I do truly believe that we'd be better off with McGrady in street clothes than Kirilenko in street clothes or Kirilenko in a Jazz jersey.
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"The players' salaries would qualify in a straight-up deal but other compensation was discussed."

The only thing that would have enticed Phoenix to downgrade is a Jazz asset. Only two they had were Millsap and Miles. I don't think the 2 points per game Miles averaged the year before was really enticing.

Basically, the Jazz would have had to lose something in order to trade Kirilenko for Marion, and the only thing enticing enough would have been Millsap (or perhaps the Knicks pick).
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Ok genius how is it not a large margin??
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AK on defense is 10X the player boozer was. It makes this closer than you can imagine. Boozer was a net 0 player for us for years. We were just as good without him as with. AK made player's around him better and the team got worse when he missed.
 
Why do people hate this guy's article...? I think he's dead spot on.. other than his homerism for AK 47. The fact of the matter is that D Will signed that 3 yr contract giving the FO 3 yrs to prove to our superstar that they were serious about championship contention.. What superstar wouldnt be pissed off if the FO let go his best friend on the team, didn't resign solid role players, and never filled the voids on the team? We were so close, but KOC never made the moves to pull it all together. He is the idiot who gave AK the max and Memo an extension... the "PRAISED GM" who wouldn't give wes matthews a deal before the season end.. The GENIUS who replaced boozer with another undersized big who sucks at D.. and the genius who will keep 3 PF's and draft another PF by the time the next season starts.. book it. He's an over the fence GM. Never has made the championship moves and never will. I believe still to to this day that the jazz FO shoots for playoffs and that's it.. as long as the team makes it to the post season thats some serious $$$ for the franchise. Oh well.. I'll be a fan my whole life its just frustrating to see a season blow up in our faces... Here's to hoping favors and hayward average more than 35 mpg next year!!
 
l Abach l said:
Why do people hate this guy's article...? I think he's dead spot on.. other than his homerism for AK 47. The fact of the matter is that D Will signed that 3 yr contract giving the FO 3 yrs to prove to our superstar that they were serious about championship contention.. What superstar wouldnt be pissed off if the FO let go his best friend on the team, didn't resign solid role players, and never filled the voids on the team? We were so close, but KOC never made the moves to pull it all together. He is the idiot who gave AK the max and Memo an extension... the "PRAISED GM" who wouldn't give wes matthews a deal before the season end.. The GENIUS who replaced boozer with another undersized big who sucks at D.. and the genius who will keep 3 PF's and draft another PF by the time the next season starts.. book it. He's an over the fence GM. Never has made the championship moves and never will. I believe still to to this day that the jazz FO shoots for playoffs and that's it.. as long as the team makes it to the post season thats some serious $$$ for the franchise. Oh well.. I'll be a fan my whole life its just frustrating to see a season blow up in our faces... Here's to hoping favors and hayward average more than 35 mpg next year!!
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At what point were we Sooooo close? While KOC was here.

KOC did not give AK the max, That was Larry Miller.
 
l Abach l said:
Why do people hate this guy's article...? I think he's dead spot on.. other than his homerism for AK 47. The fact of the matter is that D Will signed that 3 yr contract giving the FO 3 yrs to prove to our superstar that they were serious about championship contention.. What superstar wouldnt be pissed off if the FO let go his best friend on the team, didn't resign solid role players, and never filled the voids on the team? We were so close, but KOC never made the moves to pull it all together. He is the idiot who gave AK the max and Memo an extension... the "PRAISED GM" who wouldn't give wes matthews a deal before the season end.. The GENIUS who replaced boozer with another undersized big who sucks at D.. and the genius who will keep 3 PF's and draft another PF by the time the next season starts.. book it. He's an over the fence GM. Never has made the championship moves and never will. I believe still to to this day that the jazz FO shoots for playoffs and that's it.. as long as the team makes it to the post season thats some serious $$$ for the franchise. Oh well.. I'll be a fan my whole life its just frustrating to see a season blow up in our faces... Here's to hoping favors and hayward average more than 35 mpg next year!!
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Do you think KOC sits in an ivory tower making unilateral decisions? Then you are crazy. I bet he could have always been outvoted by Larry and Jerry. In fact, don't we know that he was overruled, wanted Chris paul over DWill, the biggest decision in his tenure?

The upshot is that if you are going to blame someone for bad decisions, you really need to blame the all management, not just KOC.
 
I was going to write a page long response to this thread, but I wanted to be more original than that.

Therefore, this article sucked my wang.
 
TroutBum said:
I'm not a smart man, but I'm pretty sure that I wrote TWO lines.

Renob.
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Well to be fair your actual retort was just one line but you needed one line to explain that one line response. How's this you're both right and thanks to your post I just realized that renob is boner backwards, all kinds of info in this thread and article.


*Edit, another point of learnin' for me apparently the edit has changed, you still click on edit post but instead of going to advanced or save you click again on "edit post" and then save changes*
 
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