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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

But how do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt why Trump really fired Comey?

Well, we should at least be able to point to Trump's own words in the Lester Holt interview:

He [Rosenstein] made a recommendation, he’s highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. The Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made a recommendation. But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time do it!

And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

https://www.vox.com/2017/5/11/15628276/trump-comey-fired-russia

As well, at yesterday's press briefing, the assistant press secretary seemed to admit firing Comey was to assist in ending the Russian probe:

https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/329632/sarah-huckabee-sanders-comey-obstruction/

During Thursday’s combative briefing, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a curiously frank statement regarding the motivations behind President Trump’s dismissal of FBI Director James Comey. In the wake of Trump admitting that he was going to fire “showboat” Comey, “regardless” of DOJ nomination, Sanders also told the press corps that the administration hopes it will end the investigation into Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election.

“We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity,” Sanders said in regard to the bureau’s Russia investigation. “And we think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.”

Multiple FBI insiders are claiming Comey was fired to end the Russian probe:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-fbi-insiders-director-hillary-a7729691.html

The New York Times is reporting that Trump invited Comey to dinner early in his term. At that dinner, Trump asked Comey 3 times if he would pledge his loyalty to Trump. He told Trump he could only pledge his honesty. Basically, Trump was requesting that Comey take a loyalty oath to Trump. I have read suggestions that Comey told people at the FBI that Trump made this request, and that that information should be leaked if Comey were ever fired.
 
On Rachel Maddow last night, Sen. Widen described efforts to, and the necessity of, following the money trail:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...tigation-should-follow-the-money-942097476000

And in speaking of money trails, looking into Paul Manafort's money trail may bear more fruit in the Russian investigation.

Maddow inquired of the DOJ, but the DOJ declined to answer if Attorney General Sessions is recused from any investigation involving Manafort.

Sessions himself may be under the scope regarding whether he has already violated his recusal in the investigation of the Trump election campaign.

Trump and his spokespeople's words may open up the "obstruction of justice" can of worms, but, obviously we really cannot expect this GOP leadership to agree to impeachment proceedings.

Also, we may be better of with an independent commission, as a special prosecutor means starting over from scatch.

Given Trump's unflattering words about Comey, and the Assistent FBI director's claims that Comey was well liked and respected in the agency, we should begin to see more leaks forthcoming...
 
i think the take home message from here is that your country is screwed, run by morons on both sides and that Australia needs to build a wall to keep all you imbeciles out of here...

Australia isn't innocent.

We have one news propaganda machine, fueled by billionaires like your Rupert Murdoch and our Kochs. This propaganda machine exploits the worst in humans; fear, racism, and greed.

We have one political party that flat out rejects the notion that government can and should work in complex industrialized societies. Sorry, but a 19th century government isn't adequate for a 21st century society.

We have a significant portion of our populace that our right rejects facts, rational thought, and science.

So yes, we have serious problems.
 
We need someone other than John McCain in the senate to call out this shameful behavior, wouldn't you agree?

Moderates in your party have remained far too content over Trump's outrageous behavior over the past 2 years.

it's time to demand much more out of the right's president, media, and Senate. The nonstop lying, tweet storms, and spin needs to end. Time for the GOP to clean its inner vessel. It's utterly putrid. McConnell, Ryan, and Donald should all be ashamed!

If you really think McCain is the only one, then you aren't paying very much attention.
 
You really can't make this stuff up!

In Donald's interview with Lester Holt yesterday he said this about Comey:

"He’s a showboat, he’s a grandstander, the FBI has been in turmoil. You know that, I know that. Everybody knows that."

This contradicts what acting FBI director Andrew McCabe said yesterday:

""I hold Director Comey in the absolute highest regard. I have the highest respect for his considerable abilities and his integrity," McCabe told members of the Senate intelligence committee.

He said Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump on Tuesday, enjoyed "broad support within the FBI and still does to this day." He added, "The majority, the vast majority of FBI employees enjoyed a deep, positive connection to Director Comey.""

So who should we believe? The "Chosen One" who has every motive to lie if he's guilty of colluding with the Russians?

Or the acting FBI director who has zero motive to lie about Comey's respect and support? If anything, wouldn't he want to lie and agree with the POTUS thus increasing his chances of staying on as FBI director?

Gee, this is hard.

Repubs, which is it? I get that Donald has built up a Kim/Stalin like cult of personality. But eventually, don't you have to wake up and smell the coffee? Your clown in the White House cannot go one day without lying and is clearly obstructing an investigation with Russia. Ask yourselves, why? Are you fine with political figures cutting deals with sworn enemies like Russia to win elections? What type of slippery slope does that set us on? You wouldn't tolerate this from Clinton or obama. Why do you tolerate this from Chump???

Is this really making America great again?

Cleanse thy inner vessel!

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/andrew-mccabe-hearing-senate-intelligence-committee/
 
...This contradicts what acting FBI director Andrew McCabe said yesterday:

""I hold Director Comey in the absolute highest regard. I have the highest respect for his considerable abilities and his integrity," McCabe told members of the Senate intelligence committee.

He said Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump on Tuesday, enjoyed "broad support within the FBI and still does to this day." He added, "The majority, the vast majority of FBI employees enjoyed a deep, positive connection to Director Comey."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/andrew-mccabe-hearing-senate-intelligence-committee/

wonder how long it will be before acting FBI director McCabe is looking for a new job - or writing his memoirs?
 
Donny said:
"When I decided to just do it[Fire Comey], I said to myself, I said you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story."

Does anyone else see this as an extension of Jimmy Hart's "Don't believe me? Just ask me!" gimmick from 1980's professional wrestling culture?
 
This left wing brand of birtherism is fun guys.

Except they're completely different.

One was based on skin color. Lacking any credibility whatsoever.
While the other is based on unethical and possible criminal actions. With increasing credibility that has all but crippled Donald's administration.

But yeah repubs, keep dismissing the seriousness of this. Every week the hole gets deeeper and deeper for chump.
 
Of course they do. It is the nature of partisan politics. Everybody thinks their "side" is right and the other side is stupid/evil/"biased". At least the more extreme adherents feel that way. There are actually level-headed people on both sides that are capable of intelligent conversation about a subject, but the gap is getting wider and has been for 3 decades.

Depends on what you mean by non partisan. For most people if there are decisions made that go against their political philosophy then the offender is automatically partisan. But if they make mostly decisions that agree with one political agenda then the adherents of that agenda will claim they are "fair and balanced". It is a complicated game really. Most people are truly incapable of true objectivity on any level and in any arena. With great effort we can get close, but true objectivity evades most everyone. We are all full of biases.

That said, yes the FBI is supposed to remain as neutral as they can, given the policies driving the organization and the inherent biases of their leadership.

You're right, the gap between the two sides is increasing. But that's not because one side is becoming more liberal. Quite the opposite. The democrats have endorsed platforms that used to be promoted by republicans in the 60s and 70s. Meanwhile, the GOP has become an outlier party. It has become so radical that it is incapable of modern-day government. It rejects moderation, scientific thought, facts, and traditional institutions and processes. Hell, just look at their economic, tax, and health care reform. It does nothing but hurt most workers, drive up the deficits, damage safety nets, and enrich a handful. That's not how modern-day democracies are supposed to work.

Just look at how a centrist like President obama was painted by the GOP. Look at how his presidency was demonized. The GOP shut down the government and lowered our nation's credit ratings to purposely hurt his presidency. Obamacare for hells sakes was the GOP's reform for health care. That's why they haven't been able to come up with an alternative in 7 years.

Today's GOP represents the greatest threat to democracy that the western world has seen in almost a century. Through decades now of am radio, Fox News, and the apprentice, the right has created an "us" vs "them" (urbanites vs rural, white vs black, educated vs uneducated, job creators vs welfare queens, etc) mentality that has given a "cult of personality" to Donald trump. Was he wrong when he claimed that he could gun down someone on 5th avenue and get away with it?

Today, you have blatant lying, outrageous positions, and clear obstruction of justice from Donald trump. When Nixon attempted this, the senate majority leader who was also republican said, "we needed to find out what The president knows and when he learned of it." Today's radical GOP mostly demonstrates apathy towards obscene behavior (firing the FBI director who's investigating the president) that wouldn't have been tolerated in any previous administration.

I'm not sure when or if Americans on the right are going to wake up. But most who aren't addicted to Fox News and certainly those outside of our country recognize that democracy is certainly in peril here in America. And it's mostly the fault of the GOP. It's radical agenda, it's brainwashing propaganda, and it's outrageous president.

Case in point. GOP bad, democrat good. Black and white thinking in a largely gray world.
 
The question is, would this in any way count as a "high crime or misdemeanor"? Clinton lied under oath, a direct "high crime" and got nothing. I think this is worse if it is to hide ties to an organization that made a hostile attack on an American institution. The tough thing is what gets proved, what is the evidence. The President has the right to fire the FBI director, and I know from being on the firing end of a few lawsuits that firing someone is generally pretty easy to defend.

I also wonder what could happen to Trump if it can be proved that he directly worked with the Russian in the hacking case in the first place. Is that enough to get him impeached? I would hope so, but that is a tough bar to reach really.
 
“Based simply on what is known so far, this scandal looks worse than Watergate. Worse for and about the president. Worse for the overall national interest. Worse in what it suggests about the American democratic system’s ability to defend itself.”

The contention of an article on the history of Watergate and the comparison to the Comey scandal by noted Washington journalist James Fallows, who covered the downfall of Nixon. Link here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/comey-watergate/526443/
 
I get that concentrating to read might be hard to do in your trailer park, but that's not at all what I wrote. Stop being ridiculously obtuse.

Stop being ridiculously dogmatic. Jesus was not THE ORIGINAL DEMOCRAT.
 
I was a conservative when Obama was elected President. Even though I did not belong to the Republican Party, I more often than not voted for Republicans (I never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in a general election until last November, and I've been voting since Reagan's first term). Many factors have contributed to my moving closer to the political left, but one of them was watching the GOP spend eight years as anti-liberals instead of conservatives. Now that they are in power, they continue to disappoint with their lack of leadership and ideas. Spending eight years as the party of "No" has destroyed them.

This is an interesting opinion piece: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/if-liberals-hate-him-then-trump-must-be-doing-something-right/ar-BBB3YLm?li=BBnb7Kz

If there was one principle that used to unite conservatives, it was respect for the rule of law. Not long ago, conservatives would have been horrified at wholesale violations of the norms and traditions of our political system, and would have been appalled by a president who showed overt contempt for the separation of powers.

But this week, as if on cue, most of the conservative media fell into line, celebrating President Trump’s abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James Comey, and dismissing the fact that Mr. Comey was leading an investigation into the Trump campaign and its ties to Russia. “Dems in Meltdown Over Comey Firing,” declared a headline on Fox News, as Tucker Carlson gleefully replayed clips of Democrats denouncing the move. “It’s just insane actually,” he said, referring to their reactions. On Fox and talk radio, the message was the same, with only a few conservatives willing to sound a discordant or even cautious note.

The talk-show host Rush Limbaugh was positively giddy, opening his monologue on Wednesday by praising Mr. Trump for what he called his “epic trolling” of liberals. “This is great,” Mr. Limbaugh declared. “Can we agree that Donald Trump is probably enjoying this more than anybody wants to admit or that anybody knows? So he fires Comey yesterday. Who’s he meet with today? He’s meeting with the Soviet, the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov! I mean, what an epic troll this is.”

Given the enthusiasm of the president’s apologists, it is likely that much of Mr. Trump’s base will similarly rally to him as it has in the past.

But perhaps most important, we saw once again how conservatism, with its belief in ordered liberty, is being eclipsed by something different: Loathing those who loath the president. Rabid anti-anti-Trumpism.

In a lamentably overlooked monologue this month, Mr. Limbaugh embraced the new reality in which conservative ideas and principles had been displaced by anti-liberalism. For years, Mr. Limbaugh ran what he called the “Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.” But in the Trump era, he told his audience, he has changed that to the “Institute for Advanced Anti-Leftist Studies.”

With Mr. Trump in the White House, conservative principles were no longer the point. “How many times during the campaign did I warn everybody Trump is not a conservative? Multiple times a day,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “How many times have I told you: ‘Do not expect Trump to be a conservative? He isn’t one.’ ”

He went on to emphasize that the campaign was not about conservatism, because that’s not what Mr. Trump is about.

That was a remarkable admission, but it is also a key to understanding what is happening on the right. While there are those like Sean Hannity who are reliable cheerleaders for all things President Trump, much of the conservative news media is now less pro-Trump than it is anti-anti-Trump. The distinction is important, because anti-anti-Trumpism has become the new safe space for the right.

Here is how it works: Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased “fake news” media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?”

For the anti-anti-Trump pundit, whatever the allegation against Mr. Trump, whatever his blunders or foibles, the other side is always worse.

But the real heart of anti-anti-Trumpism is the delight in the frustration and anger of his opponents. Mr. Trump’s base is unlikely to hold him either to promises or tangible achievements, because conservative politics is now less about ideas or accomplishments than it is about making the right enemies cry out in anguish.

Mr. Trump’s most vocal supporters don’t have to defend his specific actions as long as they make “liberal heads explode,” or as Sarah Palin put it so memorably, “It’s really funny to me to see the splodey heads keep sploding.” If liberals hate something, the argument goes, then it must be wonderful and worthy of aggressive defense. Each controversy reinforces the divisions and the distrust, and Mr. Trump counts on that.

For many in the conservative movement, this sort of anti-anti-Trumpism is the solution to the painful conundrum posed by the Trump presidency. With a vast majority of conservative voters and listeners solidly behind Mr. Trump, conservative critics of the president find themselves isolated and under siege. But, as Damon Linker noted, anti-anti-Trumpism “allows the right to indulge its hatred of liberals and liberalism while sidestepping the need for a reckoning with the disaster of the Trump administration itself.”

This is also a much sounder business model than airing doubts about the president. Conservative media is, of course, a business that relies on ratings, and few things generate ratings more quickly than bashing liberals. In this case, it is a far better business model for talk show hosts to play down Mr. Trump’s failures while piling on his enemies.

The ad hominem argument is rightly regarded as a logical fallacy because it substitutes personal attacks for a discussion of the argument someone is making. But on many talk shows, including Mr. Limbaugh’s, nearly every argument is ad hominem. Instead of offering statistics and building a case, it is easier to simply make fun of a Trump critic like Representative Maxine Waters, or shrug off a negative report because it came from the “lamestream media.”

Not surprisingly, the vast majority of airtime on conservative media is not taken up by issues or explanations of conservative approaches to markets or need to balance liberty with order. Why bother with such stuff, when there were personalities to be mocked and left-wing moonbats to be ridiculed?

What may have begun as a policy or a tactic in opposition has long since become a reflex. But there is an obvious price to be paid for essentially becoming a party devoted to trolling. In the long run, it’s hard to see how a party dedicated to liberal tears can remain a movement based on ideas or centered on principles.

Conservatives will care less about governing and more about scoring “wins” — and inflicting losses on the left — no matter how hollow the victories or flawed the policies. Ultimately, though, this will end badly because it is a moral and intellectual dead end, and very likely a political one as well.

The right’s reaction to firing of Mr. Comey hardly bodes well. Even conservatives who are still smarting from his handling of Hillary Clinton’s emails should recognize that the timing of Mr. Comey’s abrupt dismissal in the midst of a growing investigation into Russian meddling raises fundamental questions about the rule of the law and the possibility that justice is being obstructed.

As the right doubles down on anti-anti-Trumpism, it will find itself goaded into defending and rationalizing ever more outrageous conduct just as long as it annoys CNN and the left.

In many ways anti-anti-Trumpism mirrors Donald Trump himself, because at its core there are no fixed values, no respect for constitutional government or ideas of personal character, only a free-floating nihilism cloaked in insult, mockery and bombast.

Needless to say, this is not a form of conservatism that Edmund Burke, or even Barry Goldwater, would have recognized.
 
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