Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

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  1. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    Well, we should at least be able to point to Trump's own words in the Lester Holt interview:

    He [Rosenstein] made a recommendation, he’s highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. The Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made a recommendation. But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time do it!

    And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

    https://www.vox.com/2017/5/11/15628276/trump-comey-fired-russia

    As well, at yesterday's press briefing, the assistant press secretary seemed to admit firing Comey was to assist in ending the Russian probe:

    https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/329632/sarah-huckabee-sanders-comey-obstruction/

    During Thursday’s combative briefing, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a curiously frank statement regarding the motivations behind President Trump’s dismissal of FBI Director James Comey. In the wake of Trump admitting that he was going to fire “showboat” Comey, “regardless” of DOJ nomination, Sanders also told the press corps that the administration hopes it will end the investigation into Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election.

    “We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity,” Sanders said in regard to the bureau’s Russia investigation. “And we think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.”

    Multiple FBI insiders are claiming Comey was fired to end the Russian probe:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-fbi-insiders-director-hillary-a7729691.html

    The New York Times is reporting that Trump invited Comey to dinner early in his term. At that dinner, Trump asked Comey 3 times if he would pledge his loyalty to Trump. He told Trump he could only pledge his honesty. Basically, Trump was requesting that Comey take a loyalty oath to Trump. I have read suggestions that Comey told people at the FBI that Trump made this request, and that that information should be leaked if Comey were ever fired.
     
  2. Red

    Red Well-Known Member

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    On Rachel Maddow last night, Sen. Widen described efforts to, and the necessity of, following the money trail:

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...tigation-should-follow-the-money-942097476000

    And in speaking of money trails, looking into Paul Manafort's money trail may bear more fruit in the Russian investigation.

    Maddow inquired of the DOJ, but the DOJ declined to answer if Attorney General Sessions is recused from any investigation involving Manafort.

    Sessions himself may be under the scope regarding whether he has already violated his recusal in the investigation of the Trump election campaign.

    Trump and his spokespeople's words may open up the "obstruction of justice" can of worms, but, obviously we really cannot expect this GOP leadership to agree to impeachment proceedings.

    Also, we may be better of with an independent commission, as a special prosecutor means starting over from scatch.

    Given Trump's unflattering words about Comey, and the Assistent FBI director's claims that Comey was well liked and respected in the agency, we should begin to see more leaks forthcoming...
     
  3. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Australia isn't innocent.

    We have one news propaganda machine, fueled by billionaires like your Rupert Murdoch and our Kochs. This propaganda machine exploits the worst in humans; fear, racism, and greed.

    We have one political party that flat out rejects the notion that government can and should work in complex industrialized societies. Sorry, but a 19th century government isn't adequate for a 21st century society.

    We have a significant portion of our populace that our right rejects facts, rational thought, and science.

    So yes, we have serious problems.
     
  4. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    If you really think McCain is the only one, then you aren't paying very much attention.
     
  5. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    You really can't make this stuff up!

    In Donald's interview with Lester Holt yesterday he said this about Comey:

    "He’s a showboat, he’s a grandstander, the FBI has been in turmoil. You know that, I know that. Everybody knows that."

    This contradicts what acting FBI director Andrew McCabe said yesterday:

    ""I hold Director Comey in the absolute highest regard. I have the highest respect for his considerable abilities and his integrity," McCabe told members of the Senate intelligence committee.

    He said Comey, who was fired by President Donald Trump on Tuesday, enjoyed "broad support within the FBI and still does to this day." He added, "The majority, the vast majority of FBI employees enjoyed a deep, positive connection to Director Comey.""

    So who should we believe? The "Chosen One" who has every motive to lie if he's guilty of colluding with the Russians?

    Or the acting FBI director who has zero motive to lie about Comey's respect and support? If anything, wouldn't he want to lie and agree with the POTUS thus increasing his chances of staying on as FBI director?

    Gee, this is hard.

    Repubs, which is it? I get that Donald has built up a Kim/Stalin like cult of personality. But eventually, don't you have to wake up and smell the coffee? Your clown in the White House cannot go one day without lying and is clearly obstructing an investigation with Russia. Ask yourselves, why? Are you fine with political figures cutting deals with sworn enemies like Russia to win elections? What type of slippery slope does that set us on? You wouldn't tolerate this from Clinton or obama. Why do you tolerate this from Chump???

    Is this really making America great again?

    Cleanse thy inner vessel!

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/andrew-mccabe-hearing-senate-intelligence-committee/
     
  6. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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  7. colton

    colton All Around Nice Guy Staff Member

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    Is there anything more ironic than Trump calling someone else a "showboat" and "grandstander"?
     
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  8. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Right? Psychologists are having a field day today.
     
  9. moevillini

    moevillini the Chief Old D'oh Staff Member

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    wonder how long it will be before acting FBI director McCabe is looking for a new job - or writing his memoirs?
     
  10. moevillini

    moevillini the Chief Old D'oh Staff Member

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    LOL!!!

    Let's give it another day or so, I'm sure he'll manage to outdo himself.
     
  11. RandyForRubio

    RandyForRubio Well-Known Member

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    Between this and Thriller ranting about biases, this is a pretty good thread entertainment wise.
     
  12. Harambe

    Harambe Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Does anyone else see this as an extension of Jimmy Hart's "Don't believe me? Just ask me!" gimmick from 1980's professional wrestling culture?
     
  13. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

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    This left wing brand of birtherism is fun guys.
     
  14. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Except they're completely different.

    One was based on skin color. Lacking any credibility whatsoever.
    While the other is based on unethical and possible criminal actions. With increasing credibility that has all but crippled Donald's administration.

    But yeah repubs, keep dismissing the seriousness of this. Every week the hole gets deeeper and deeper for chump.
     
  15. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Case in point. GOP bad, democrat good. Black and white thinking in a largely gray world.
     
  16. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    The question is, would this in any way count as a "high crime or misdemeanor"? Clinton lied under oath, a direct "high crime" and got nothing. I think this is worse if it is to hide ties to an organization that made a hostile attack on an American institution. The tough thing is what gets proved, what is the evidence. The President has the right to fire the FBI director, and I know from being on the firing end of a few lawsuits that firing someone is generally pretty easy to defend.

    I also wonder what could happen to Trump if it can be proved that he directly worked with the Russian in the hacking case in the first place. Is that enough to get him impeached? I would hope so, but that is a tough bar to reach really.
     
  17. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    I get that concentrating to read might be hard to do in your trailer park, but that's not at all what I wrote. Stop being ridiculously obtuse.
     
  18. Jonah

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    “Based simply on what is known so far, this scandal looks worse than Watergate. Worse for and about the president. Worse for the overall national interest. Worse in what it suggests about the American democratic system’s ability to defend itself.”

    The contention of an article on the history of Watergate and the comparison to the Comey scandal by noted Washington journalist James Fallows, who covered the downfall of Nixon. Link here:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/comey-watergate/526443/
     
  19. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Stop being ridiculously dogmatic. Jesus was not THE ORIGINAL DEMOCRAT.
     
  20. JazzGal

    JazzGal Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I was a conservative when Obama was elected President. Even though I did not belong to the Republican Party, I more often than not voted for Republicans (I never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate in a general election until last November, and I've been voting since Reagan's first term). Many factors have contributed to my moving closer to the political left, but one of them was watching the GOP spend eight years as anti-liberals instead of conservatives. Now that they are in power, they continue to disappoint with their lack of leadership and ideas. Spending eight years as the party of "No" has destroyed them.

    This is an interesting opinion piece: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/if-liberals-hate-him-then-trump-must-be-doing-something-right/ar-BBB3YLm?li=BBnb7Kz

     
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