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2017-2018 Jazz salaries, cap/LT details

Jazz4ever said:
Every player cares about winning to some extent. Losing effects your quality of life. It would take the absolute max to get him to go to Brooklyn, with no real close competing bids.
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And the cost of living is double Utah.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I could still see 76ers going after him. They need a solid vet and they need to spend some cap. I think Hill and some health luck could get them into the playoffs next year with a really young team still.

Nets just need anything. They have no reason not to try and win as much as they can for the fans. Their draft picks are bleak and they have no real young talent.
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I don't. Of all the fa's, Mills makes the most sense. He's younger, knows the HC Brown very well from both the Spurs and the Australian team, and won't be the focal point of the team as much as Hill would be which is a good thing for the Sixers.
 
Catchall said:
Regarding Hill, he's going to take the biggest contract regardless of winning. The rumor was that Brooklyn was going to make him a big offer. They need talent anyway they can get it.

The Jazz could offer Hill a lot, maybe even max, but I don't think they will. It's a bad contract.
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And that in my opinion is key. The single most important thing for someone like the Jazz who are going to be running up against the luxury tax the next couple of years, is to not make or take on bad contracts. Large contracts are fine, if they are tradable. But large contracts that are bad are untradable and will kill the franchise.
 
colton said:
And that in my opinion is key. The single most important thing for someone like the Jazz who are going to be running up against the luxury tax the next couple of years, is to not make or take on bad contracts. Large contracts are fine, if they are tradable. But large contracts that are bad are untradable and will kill the franchise.
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If he plays 70ish games a year he's worth every penny of 20-25 per year. Even if he declined a bit I think we could offload him. If he gets a max offer we will have to figure something else out.

He's basically the perfect fit for what we do and I think we can retain him and Ingles but it will require dumping AB and we should look long and hard at trading two of Hood, Favs, and Exum now so that we get returning assets for those guys prior to them getting pay raises and leaving for nothing.

I like all three guys but don't see what they do as irreplaceable. Would keep Exum because I think he'd fetch the lowest value in a trade and he has the highest ceiling of those guys.
 
So taking a glance at it, what Colton described seems to be the best bet at this point.

Going into next year if Hayward opts in, it's 82.8 million in salary with about 18 million in cap holds that puts the Jazz right against the cap. If he opts out, it's 66.1 million with 42 million in cap holds, which goes over the cap.

Of course, the Jazz can renounce guys like Mack and Withey and still sign them under the MLE, but won't be able to do that with Hill or Ingles.


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Just noticed that 82.8 does NOT include Boris's team option.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
So taking a glance at it, what Colton described seems to be the best bet at this point.

Going into next year if Hayward opts in, it's 82.8 million in salary with about 18 million in cap holds that puts the Jazz right against the cap. If he opts out, it's 66.1 million with 42 million in cap holds, which goes over the cap.

Of course, the Jazz can renounce guys like Mack and Withey and still sign them under the MLE, but won't be able to do that with Hill or Ingles.


EDIT:

Just noticed that 82.8 does NOT include Boris's team option.
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That's short-sighted imo and his number could then be that much greater starting 2018-19 than it would if he signed this off-season.

And I was wrong about the cap hold. I apologize.
 
Man, I'm trying to find a scenario for taking a decent player's salary in a trade before July 1 and having difficulty.

I'm looking for more realistic things and not just trades that benefit the Jazz that other teams would have no reason to do.

One scenario I was trying to think of was getting the Nets some draft picks. Problem is, their only real asset is Brook Lopez and that's not really a fit for the Jazz, so picks, Burks and Lyles to Brooklyn, Lopez to ? and ? to Utah with maybe another compensatory asset to Brooklyn from ? team.

One team I though of was Detroit, and getting Jon Leuer, but they have no need for Lopez with Drummond on the team. So that leaves Burks, Lyles and 23/30 to ?, ? to Detroit, and Leuer to Utah.



Lopez to Houston? Beverly and Ariza to Utah?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Man, I'm trying to find a scenario for taking a decent player's salary in a trade before July 1 and having difficulty.

I'm looking for more realistic things and not just trades that benefit the Jazz that other teams would have no reason to do.

One scenario I was trying to think of was getting the Nets some draft picks. Problem is, their only real asset is Brook Lopez and that's not really a fit for the Jazz, so picks, Burks and Lyles to Brooklyn, Lopez to ? and ? to Utah with maybe another compensatory asset to Brooklyn from ? team.

One team I though of was Detroit, and getting Jon Leuer, but they have no need for Lopez with Drummond on the team. So that leaves Burks, Lyles and 23/30 to ?, ? to Detroit, and Leuer to Utah.



Lopez to Houston? Beverly and Ariza to Utah?
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Houston would laugh you off the phone.

Is Brooklyn far enough under we could trade them Burks and Lyles for nothing?

I don't even want anything. **** a high 2nd would do. I'd prob even give some team a 2nd just to take on that salary.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Houston would laugh you off the phone.

Is Brooklyn far enough under we could trade them Burks and Lyles for nothing?

I don't even want anything. **** a high 2nd would do. I'd prob even give some team a 2nd just to take on that salary.
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I'm talking about a three way. The picks/Lyles/Burks to Nets. Lopez to Houston. Beverly and Ariza to Jazz. Have Houston send their pick to Brooklyn.
 
Actually, I think Diaw works just as well if not better in these before July 1 scenarios since he can be waived with no money attached.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Man, I'm trying to find a scenario for taking a decent player's salary in a trade before July 1 and having difficulty.

I'm looking for more realistic things and not just trades that benefit the Jazz that other teams would have no reason to do.

One scenario I was trying to think of was getting the Nets some draft picks. Problem is, their only real asset is Brook Lopez and that's not really a fit for the Jazz, so picks, Burks and Lyles to Brooklyn, Lopez to ? and ? to Utah with maybe another compensatory asset to Brooklyn from ? team.

One team I though of was Detroit, and getting Jon Leuer, but they have no need for Lopez with Drummond on the team. So that leaves Burks, Lyles and 23/30 to ?, ? to Detroit, and Leuer to Utah.



Lopez to Houston? Beverly and Ariza to Utah?
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Think smaller #30 pick for Aminu or harkless... porty needs to drop salary one of those guys can be our starting stretch 4. Both are on average starter deals. They have enough picks this year so maybe do the OKC pick.

Second rounder for delly... another guy I like is Garrett Temple on the Kings. Good defender can guard multiple positions and has shot the three okay.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Houston would laugh you off the phone.

Is Brooklyn far enough under we could trade them Burks and Lyles for nothing?

I don't even want anything. **** a high 2nd would do. I'd prob even give some team a 2nd just to take on that salary.
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AB and the 42 pick for Killpatrick would be a solid deal for both sides... they gamble on AB and get another draft asset.

I think Lyles still has some value... if he doesn't he does not make much more than the minimum so we shouldn't trade him for nothing.
 
colton said:
Would you want to do a five year deal for a PG of his age? He'd be 36 at the end of it. I'm thinking no.

I'd probably max at around 4 for 80M myself, and would try hard for 4 for 70M.
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In in the middle...4 years $75M sounds very fair. $18.75/M year.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I'm talking about a three way. The picks/Lyles/Burks to Nets. Lopez to Houston. Beverly and Ariza to Jazz. Have Houston send their pick to Brooklyn.
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And Houston would hang up. Beverley is their heart and Ariza is a really important cog too there.
 
Catchall said:
So according to Locke, the Jazz can combine their $13M or $14M room under this year's cap plus Boris Diaw's non-guaranteed contract in a trade before July 1st to bring back a contract worth up to ~$20M. So if there were a team willing to trade us a good player to relieve financial pressure, we could take that deal and then exceed the cap to re-sign Hayward. Probably we sweeten the trade with a pick or a player.

If we take on a full $20M deal, it might affect our ability to sign George Hill in free agency.

So the question is, who can we acquire via trade to help a team reduce payroll? Find a team that wants to change direction and pick a good player.

Examples: Bledsoe? Galinari? Rudy Gay? Dragic?

Etc.
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Thanks for starting this thread.
I have been meaning to ask about the Jazz's around 13M salary cap space and was looking for the article regarding this.
 
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