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Jazz need to get back to development and draft,not retreading older veterans

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tleikheen

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Jazz did get some mileage out of Hill,Johnson,Diaw and a unexpected breakout by Ingles.They did get into the playoffs but for a injury to Griffin would have been bounced out in the 1st round.The sacrifice was Exum and Lyles.Playing them doesn't say they wouldn't have made the playoffs.Led by Gobert and Hayward,they were still playoff bound.
Come playoff time Hill was broken down,JJ &Diaw&Ingles were game but not fast enough.Jazz looked slow in the fast pace of the new NBA.Doesn't mean they can't play anymore,just means more in a support role from the bench.
For the Jazz to thrive and be a force they need to do from within what they have already.Exum and Lyles need to play through their mistakes.A summer of healing and then getting their bodies stronger should see Favors bounce back,Hood assert himself in a starting role.Exum and Lyles both a young 22 yrs old in the upcoming season should be physically stronger and ready for more prominent roles.
Resigning Hayward and Ingles should be paramount,resigning would hinder Jazz going forward.Let Withey and Mack walk.
Draft Jonathon Jeanne to backup Gobert at Center.
Sign Milos Teodosic to backup and share PG duties with Exum.

PG) Exum,Teodosic
SG) Hood,Burks
SF) Hayward,Ingles
PF) Favors,Lyles,Balomboy
C) Gobert,Jeanne

Jazz can play with pace ,slow or fast defensively and offensively.Commit back to growth from within while remaining long and athletic.
 
If you go into next season with Exum as your point guard, Hayward is gone. Then you can more easily focus on "getting back to development and draft" with a sub 500 team.
 
I don't agree to the idea that winning now and developing talent have to be mutually exclusive.

Trey and Dante can and should still be developed with good minutes as the backup players behind Derrick and whichever Starting PG is here.
 
"get back to development" implies they were ever really focused on development.

I'm not convinced they ever were really focused on development until last season.

Too many lost years in there for Hayward, Favors, Burks and others.
 
Blake Griffin injury I think made things harder on the Jazz. We had a tremendously tough time defending the pick and roll with CP3/Jordan once he went out. Would've won in 5 or 6 games with both rosters at full capacity.
 
mellow said:
"get back to development" implies they were ever really focused on development.

I'm not convinced they ever were really focused on development until last season.

Too many lost years in there for Hayward, Favors, Burks and others.
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This is very true. I do think that Hayward was developed mostly the right way. The other guys were all hindered by not actually getting big roles and minutes early on to varying degrees. IT's a bit unfair though because some of that was under different coaching/FO structure. I do think the Jazz have put themselves in a bad situation by not going all in on development. Now contracts are up, and extensions are coming due and things could have been clearer if the team had committed to a rebuild immediately instead of a re-tool.

I would not be comfortable with the lineup the OP used. I think you need to bring in some kind of good starting level player that can score. That could be any position other than SF or Center.
 
If you go into next season with Exum as your point guard, Hayward is gone. Then you can more easily focus on "getting back to development and draft" with a sub 500 team.
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This part is B.S.,unless you know inside information ,plz share.

What we do know is that theirs a real chance GHill will get a better offer than Jazz are willing to top.
Though Hill played good the 42 games he played ,Who's to say Hayward will sign just because Hill MIGHT return????Of those 42 games Hill played HOW many games did he play not at 100% ??? Hayward signs after seeing a injured Hill all last year ???
Another point was made about win shares that Hayward,Gobert,Exum were a 60 win pace and Hayward,Gobert ,Hill were a 56 win pace team.
If you're going to sign a 30 million a year contract and play alongside Gobert you already have a strong twosome at the center of your team .Throw in including Exum,Favors,Hood,Ingles,Burks,and Lyles you have been team mates for going on 3 years together,CONTINUITY will count towards Haywards decision.
 
Nothing irritates me more than some dumbass saying we only got to the 2nd round because Griffin was injured, as if we didn't have injury problems ourselves.

OP can consider himself negged.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Nothing irritates me more than some dumbass saying we only got to the 2nd round because Griffin was injured, as if we didn't have injury problems ourselves.

OP can consider himself negged.
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I think he was saying that griffin being injured made it harder ... which doesn't make sense either
 
Players have to earn minutes. The biggest talent leap happens by working hard in the gym. Game time helps polish things off, but development shouldn't happen during the 48 minutes.

Let's hope Exum and Lyles take a leap this summer (just like Hayward, Gobert, Ingles, and Hood have done.)
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Nothing irritates me more than some dumbass saying we only got to the 2nd round because Griffin was injured, as if we didn't have injury problems ourselves.

OP can consider himself negged.
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I disliked his post for this reason. We would have made easy work of the Clippers if we were healthy.
 
stitches said:
If you go into next season with Exum as your point guard, Hayward is gone. Then you can more easily focus on "getting back to development and draft" with a sub 500 team.
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I disagree. Hayward isn't staking his future on the PG next year is. His decision will come down to what the overall future vision of the team is.
 
SCS said:
I disagree. Hayward isn't staking his future on the PG next year is. His decision will come down to what the overall future vision of the team is.
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True, but the moves at the PG are a clear signal about the overall vision. He saw the team pre-Hill and post-Hill and I don't think he wants to revert.
 
Dali said:
I don't agree to the idea that winning now and developing talent have to be mutually exclusive.
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Agreed. In fact, you need rookie contracts on the roster to be able to stay under luxury tax levels, to counter max contracts.
 
tleikheen said:
Jazz did get some mileage out of Hill,Johnson,Diaw and a unexpected breakout by Ingles.They did get into the playoffs but for a injury to Griffin would have been bounced out in the 1st round.The sacrifice was Exum and Lyles.Playing them doesn't say they wouldn't have made the playoffs.Led by Gobert and Hayward,they were still playoff bound.
Come playoff time Hill was broken down,JJ &Diaw&Ingles were game but not fast enough.Jazz looked slow in the fast pace of the new NBA.Doesn't mean they can't play anymore,just means more in a support role from the bench.
For the Jazz to thrive and be a force they need to do from within what they have already.Exum and Lyles need to play through their mistakes.A summer of healing and then getting their bodies stronger should see Favors bounce back,Hood assert himself in a starting role.Exum and Lyles both a young 22 yrs old in the upcoming season should be physically stronger and ready for more prominent roles.
Resigning Hayward and Ingles should be paramount,resigning would hinder Jazz going forward.Let Withey and Mack walk.
Draft Jonathon Jeanne to backup Gobert at Center.
Sign Milos Teodosic to backup and share PG duties with Exum.

PG) Exum,Teodosic
SG) Hood,Burks
SF) Hayward,Ingles
PF) Favors,Lyles,Balomboy
C) Gobert,Jeanne

Jazz can play with pace ,slow or fast defensively and offensively.Commit back to growth from within while remaining long and athletic.
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Idiot!!
 
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