US Pulling Out of Paris Climate Accord

[infection]

Hell, even Boris knows how to make more then that off government. I get two grand a month in social security an disability. I get more in food snaps then I can ever eat so I give em to the illegals working the farms. The property I live on in a travel trailer is classified farmland so I pay almost nothing in property taxes. I fill my water tanks from a nearby park. I eat tons of fish an there are tons of local ponds in the state being stocked by taxpayer dollars. I get free disability bus passes.

I pay hardly nothing in taxes don't contribute to society other then the work I trade with neighbor farmers. Life is good an thank you all for buying my wifi. Maybe all get cable next so I can quit listening to Lockes screechy voice on am radio.

So have we confirmed that this is trout's Dutch parody account?

 

[Boris]

I forgot. I heat my heavily insulated trailer with piping hot rocks I heat by fire outside that I burn free BLM wood. I shop at Deseret Industries an buy bran new clothing for pennies so I don't look like no hobo. I got rich friends that travel a lot an they bring me all the extra shampoo an soap an they even request extra bottles. I buy bran new couches an such at yard sales every summer for around the fire an burn what good material in them every fall to.

Anyway, off to tend my wallnut trees an check the apple one too. Life is good.

[MENTION=631]ONE LOVE[/MENTION] Bunny came back!

 

[DutchJazzer]

[MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION]

If between you and your wife the government gave your family 42k a year; would you stop working or continue to work so that you could afford an 84k lifestyle for your family?

it would devalue the currency even more!

meaning 42k would be wortth less than it is now!


money doesnt come out of thin air

 

[franklin]

That'd be my preference. I'm at work and I don't have time for a proper reply, but if I remember correctly, the Swiss wanted $30k for every adult and half for every child.

Read up, or watch a couple of videos on it, so you'd understand why it must 1- be universal and unconditional. 2- enough to enable you to live a basic life without having to work.

And 18k is too low. Might be a nice start, but we need to aim for at least half the median income.

You want to spend ten trillion dollars per year and don't expect any adverse consequences? And how in the world are you going to raise taxes on the rich high enough to come anywhere close to even 10% of that figure?

I'm sure alt has some magical band-aid solution.

 

[Siro]

You want to spend ten trillion dollars per year and don't expect any adverse consequences? And how in the world are you going to raise taxes on the rich high enough to come anywhere close to even 10% of that figure?

I'm sure alt has some magical band-aid solution.

Well, you'd have to roll all existing programs into it. I read that we can manage $800 if we rolled everything aside from Medicare and Medicade. To raise the rest, I assume you'd have to have some international tax framework that assures money that is being hoarded overseas (what's Apple at now? 250b?) can be taxed, as opposed to the current international race for lower and lower taxation. How beneficial would adding so much unused income to the middle have? I don't know, but I suspect it would have a profound effect on the economy.

 

[Miggs]

Well, you'd have to roll all existing programs into it. I read that we can manage $800 if we rolled everything aside from Medicare and Medicade. To raise the rest, I assume you'd have to have some international tax framework that assures money that is being hoarded overseas (what's Apple at now? 250b?) can be taxed, as opposed to the current international race for lower and lower taxation. How beneficial would adding so much unused income to the middle have? I don't know, but I suspect it would have a profound effect on the economy.

This sounds great but it will never happen. Ever. The rich make the rules. Do you really think they're going to let us **** them out of millions if not billions of dollars?

 

[Siro]

This sounds great but it will never happen. Ever. The rich make the rules. Do you really think they're going to let us **** them out of millions if not billions of dollars?

Right now? No, it's not happening. Eventually they'd have to when there are no longer enough people to buy the products of their companies.

 

[Miggs]

Right now? No, it's not happening. Eventually they'd have to when there are no longer enough people to buy the products of their companies.

My poor students own iPods. There will always be plenty of consumers to buy their products.

 

[Siro]

My poor students own iPods. There will always be plenty of consumers to buy their products.

You're mistaken. Practically every job we currently have is automatable in the near future. Unless you're doing something really creative and independent, you're vulnerable to automation within a couple of decades. What will happen in 5 years when 3m+ trucking jobs (and jobs created to support these truckers, like gas stations in some spots) become obsolete? Automated trucks is the most common example because of how imminent the threat of automation is. But even doctors are vulnerable as diagnostic neural nets, eg Watson and Google's DeepMind, develop.

 

[Miggs]

You're mistaken. Practically every job we currently have is automatable in the near future. Unless you're doing something really creative and independent, you're vulnerable to automation within a couple of decades. What will happen in 5 years when 3m+ trucking jobs (and jobs created to support these truckers, like gas stations in some spots) become obsolete? Automated trucks is the most common example because of how imminent the threat of automation is. But even doctors are vulnerable as diagnostic neural nets, eg Watson and Google's DeepMind, develop.

Over time, people will find jobs in new industries.

 

[Siro]

Over time, people will find jobs in new industries.

No they won't. There won't be any new industries where humans outperform robots except for the most creative or skilled fields. Are you saying a 50 year old truck driver will retrain to be an AI developer? A robotic engineer? Of course not. He'd be out of work, or latching onto the low-pay low-skill jobs that still exist. Until they don't.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I heard an idea where UBI is tied to level of automation. The more automated a company is, the more they contribute to the UBI fund. That way, the more automated an economy becomes, the bigger the payment everyone gets.

Do you think that wouldn't be enough? If so, what else can you do within the current system?

A prominent leftist writer Matt Bruenig has penned a few articles on UBI and how he could foresee it working (taking inspiration from a couple Nordic countries who've already instated it IIRC)