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Do any of you drive hybrids? (prius, volt, leaf, etc)

Agoxlea said:
I can't make up my mind on that one. Those bars on the side looked really ugly to me at first, but I went back and looked again and now I'm thinking badass. I live in the bay area too, if we both end up getting one we should try to ride sometime.
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That is so cute. Maybe you guys could head over to the Blue Oyster Bar after your ride?
 
Agoxlea said:
Yes, but I think we need incentives to make people use public transportation more. AKA a gas tax. The more people that use it the greener it is. From each main transportation hub it would be cool if there was hourly bike or electric car rentals for SUPER cheap. That's what's happening when I become supreme dictator.
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The problem with these government-run services is just that they don't do it right. Really. If these public transportation developments were just developed from a real business point of view, I bet the developer would plan for all the hubs to have relevant, demand-based businesses providing services like this. Two or three competitive businesses, maybe, bidding up the rent on the concession space and competing for customers on price.

No need for a dictator, freedom will do the job.
 
babe said:
The problem with these government-run services is just that they don't do it right. Really. If these public transportation developments were just developed from a real business point of view, I bet the developer would plan for all the hubs to have relevant, demand-based businesses providing services like this. Two or three competitive businesses, maybe, bidding up the rent on the concession space and competing for customers on price.

No need for a dictator, freedom will do the job.
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I read this post and thought, "That's a good post and a great idea.". Then I read who posted it and immediately it became ******* stupid.
 
Chad Feldheimer said:
I still hope to see truck nuts on a Prius one day
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Look no further. Flame paintjob and truck nuts in the works. (actually the paint job is in the works, but now that you mentioned it I am going to add the truck nuts)
 
babe said:
The problem with these government-run services is just that they don't do it right. Really. If these public transportation developments were just developed from a real business point of view, I bet the developer would plan for all the hubs to have relevant, demand-based businesses providing services like this. Two or three competitive businesses, maybe, bidding up the rent on the concession space and competing for customers on price.

No need for a dictator, freedom will do the job.
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Empirically denied.

If what you're saying is true, where are all the private intra-city public transportation services?
 
Agoxlea said:
Yes, but I think we need incentives to make people use public transportation more.
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Yes, you're right. People are toys for the government to manipulate into whatever behavior is currently preferred. In this instance it's driving hybrids, in another it might be shoving undesirable people into ovens. Whatever the government needs humans for it should manipulate them into doing.
 
The comparison of incentivizing environmentally friendly transportation for an apparent societal gain to genocide is a little ridiculous. A lot ridiculous. My problem with the "stay away from me government" movement is that there are some decisions that are beneficial to society as a whole, but the rational individual decision doesn't get us there. That's why I think we need the incentives.

Really my life would be great if everybody else took public transit and I reaped the health and economic benefits, but I still personally got to drive everywhere for convenience. I think everyone would agree with me there, which is why some things just wont happen without an incentive. It's not fun to be the one who has to make a change. I feel this is in some way similar to a free rider problem in that everyone wants the benefits, but nobody wants to be the one to pay.
 
Gameface said:
Yes, you're right. People are toys for the government to manipulate into whatever behavior is currently preferred. In this instance it's driving hybrids, in another it might be shoving undesirable people into ovens. Whatever the government needs humans for it should manipulate them into doing.
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Does this qualify as Godwin's Law? If so, page 4 seems pretty early.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Empirically denied.

If what you're saying is true, where are all the private intra-city public transportation services?
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My warm fuzzy memories of Manila and other Philippine cities could serve as an example. The jeeps left over after WWII were used for decades after as microeconomic businesses. If you owned one and decked it out with cool stuff, people would flag you down, give you ten or twenty-five centavos and ride to the market . They were always packed. Some enterprising folks extended the wheelbase and could carry more. Competitive buses, ala our old school buses were packed too for some commutes. Over there, I was aware of little union deals where some collective sort of management system was allocating routes in some places, so it wasn't "perfect freedom", but it was very inexpensive.

I'm vaguely aware that government can be a good thing if some ideals are being incorporated in the way things are done. A city could just as well let out bids for transportation services, maybe for several competitive licenses and maintain some rules within their little kingdom, without having to be using sales tax revenue to support an inefficient city-operated system. . . .

I'm also vaguely aware of the eminent domain issues and sometimes necessities for building something like a metro trax line. I haven't got into advocating competitive water and power utilities exactly so I have to admit I'm not a real pure freedom advocate. I'm just thinking there might be a better way to do things in some cases that could result in better management/lower cost/more choice.

So I think your argument that these things don't pop out that way because public systems operated by government employees are just infallibly better than all other ideas has just not been allowed, by government officials, yet, in many places.

I do think even government officials desiring to promote use of their systems ought to quickly see the sense in Agoxlea's proposal, at least in some of the more central hub locations with higher traffic volumes.
 
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